This audiophile can hear his interconnects. Or can he?
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Brilliant! Our brain controls what we think we hear.
I heard a speaker cable that made a huge difference in my system. in 1973 I had a Kenwood integrated amp with Jensen speakers. My speakers were connected to the amplifier with zip wire. Went to an audio shop and the dealer was raving about "Cobra Cables" They cost $200 almost as much as my amplifier, he let me take them home to try out. Connected the cables and put on a Grateful Dead record. The sound was horrendous, they cables turned out to be highly capacitive and combined with the impedance of the speakers caused my amplifier to oscillate wildly turned off the amp before they blew up and damaged the speakers.
Funny how audio snob operates his AI horse puppets.
I would have named him "Audio Philo". Just sayin'.
I can say the higher end stuff is better for a simple reason... longevity. Oxygen free wire and gold interconnects stand the test of time. Electricity (audio signals) do not pass inside of a wire, they pass on the surface. Oxidation of the wires and connectors can attenuate the signal. In a noise-free environment: new aluminum coat hangers are indistinguishable from $10000 connectors.
Electricity on the surface?
Skin effect is not an issue on low frequency signals such as those used in audio. While it does affect all signal transmissions, the skin depth at audio frequencies is greater than the diameter of the wire.
This presents an interesting problem for cable makers... these idiots producing the horse dong sized cables for microwatt level signals are actually increasing the wire diameter enough that skin effect might actually become an issue at the upper reaches of the 20k audio band.
I'm putting this in my favourites
š
When I started out listening to music as a 'serious' consumer, it was Theatre of Hate - Westworld that grabbed my attention. I had never heard anything like it, and haven't since, and I wanted to get the best quality copy of it that I could. I spent a few quid on decent headphones, a good turntable and amp, and a shiny new vinyl, and it sounded amazing. Then, as time progressed I was able to get better equipment and picked up new sounds and wider expressions in the music. it was a lot of fun.
But then I reached a point when there was nothing new to hear. it didn't matter how much I spent, the record sounded the same. There were a hundred self proclaimed experts talking all kinds of crap about how this and that would enhance the experience, but the simple truth is that the record sounded as good as it would ever sound, and there were no hidden layers that could only be unlocked with expensive cables and oxygen free titanium mcguffins. Anybody who tells you that they can tell the difference between connections is playing with themselves.
Yep ... Amazon Basics and Lamp Cord all the way....
Classic!!!
Hitchen's Razor, brilliant
Absolutely brilliant!
Phil looks rather "Butch Vig " don't ya think?
Loving Audio Phil, just know he has about 5 copies of Dark Side of the Moon
I like that. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I cannot hear my interconnects because they are silent. :-)
Guaranteed silent without them. š
You would be amazed how many blank stares I get when I tell people there's no sound in their electronics ... It's all just a single voltage that varies over time, a map of how to move the speaker cones. It's not sound until it leaves your speakers.
Very witty!
What, You didn't want to do the monologue? instead you used Phil as a fill in.
The space between ones ears has the biggest effect on audio clarity. I love the famous test where "a group of 12 self-professed "audiophiles" couldn't tell the difference between Monster 1000 speaker cables and plain old coat hangers"..in a double blind experiment they said both sounded "excellent" but could not identify which was which. (google it)
The truth is out there, you just need to look for it.
As long i am able to measure THD down to 110dB below the signal using standard ( non audiophile if you want to call it ) cables and wire i will never invest in "magical cables and interconnects". Not even when woven by mongolian virgins.
I can ear differences in my interconnects; it depends on how high I drop them from.
Only if you really believe that Neil Young can really hear the āholesā in digital music.
Haha, so true. So much commentary I see in audio circles (hifi, production, musicians) is so close to superstition that it's not funny.
HA! Good for you!
the 'resolving' line is a real explanation to a different discussion, inserted in bad faith as a shield for snakeoil
My first special interconnects were entry-level Audioquest. I think the more solid termination and soft outer cable must provide the same feeling of comfort and confidence to the signal that they gave me installing them š
There is a widespread belief amongst Audiophiles that they have Magic Ears that can hear audio effects that cannot be measured. This is nonsense. Modern test equipment is far more sensitive and accurate than the human ear. If you believe you can hear an audio effect that cannot be measured then you are either deluded or using the wrong test equipment.
... or both.
@@Douglas_Blake_579True
Sharpest ladies I have ever seen. That retort was a clincher. The audiophile was left speechless.
The old double blind test can dispense with b.s. claims of being able to hear any difference. Of course, it's not always practical.
Really very good I will share it.
Alex Jones got in shape tho
Excellent
LOL!!š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
13 years old and still on point ... https://youtu.be/m7ERMu825m4?si=vPWxCreFjWKjA67H
Laughs in rew
Lovely!
I use silver plated copper wire in my set up. It works fine here's the funny thing about it the silver cut high end extention and each of the metals help each other silver protects the copper and the silver carries the high end very fast. Copper carries the bottom end. A little slower. This is the only conclusion i can come up with its all in the Timing
You can hear the speed of light
Naaa ... it's all in your imagination.
And then ... there's this guy .... https://youtu.be/qWtxb80olSw?si=KYYD9lTlQ-2crfix
I too, can hear my interconnecting cables. I can't hear nuthin' without 'em though. š
The new guy ... Phil Ofit ... is quite the hoot.
Or more likely already " sufficiently resolving ". I buy my "25 $" interconnects at for 39 cents a pound at the trift stores as there are plenty of them there. Driver selection, placement and crossover ( configuration and components...those don't need to be horribly expensive either just keep it simple as possible) gives me sufficient resolution. That does take some time and experimentation, but not alot of $. Home built (best speakers in the world " or more correctly.. well suited to the space they were tuned in. As I've said before an addict will say that do anything to feed an addiction. You can stay in budget and keep your family's needs in perspective and achieve sufficiently resolving. When your step outside side of that you've crossed from audiophile to addict. As it is what I notice instantly is the quality of the recording . I can quickly tweak that a bit with levels and sometimes not. Have a good day all and keep it real for your family's sake. The money tree is due for some lean crops .
Hey rich guy, stop showing off with your 25 interconnects.
We humans don't possess the most sensitive ears. Can pets and wild animals be audiophiles? Can they physically suffer from the lack of sound quality? They live among us. Don't we have to think of them? Take them into account?
A cat of mine freaked out when I put on She Drives Me Crazy by Fine Young Cannibals a while back - and he was a calm cat. With a better system now and an even more chill cat, i'm hesitant to retry.
LMAO!!
When i used the old welding cables from the ship yard i achieved that smokey sound.
i would have expected them to sound a bit saltier as well
maybe his hearing's got rust.
Like a virologist. You must believe me.
Yes but my eBay is littered with audiophile Philās recommendations, I need Betty and Debbie!š¢
Hahaha. Fantastic!
This is perhaps the most succinct rebuttal of the typical, delusional [I've met so many of 'em over the years] so called audioiphile I have seen.
Much kudos to you for the reality check.
RIP CH.
Wanna stop them dead in their tracks?
"Prove you can hear it..."
@@Douglas_Blake_579 They don't have to, they're audiophiles.
@@mat.b.
Hitchen's Razor ... My friend.
I CAN HEAR THE IMPROVEMENT USING BALANCED HEADPHONES !!! ( sarcasm alert !)
They are louder, thatās all - on short runs. On longer runs (12ft+), they might be a bit quieter too. Any other differences are imagined
@@billd9667 the idea that a voice coil and its cable can be balanced or not is bizarre. but the word balanced sounds like it solved a problem of "unbalancededness". as opposed to diffential balanced lines with an invert summing op amp
Well, I suppose it is better than listening with your head canted off to one side.
@@marxman00 balanced cables have a use in pro (studio) audio, but, as you say, the only influence they have on transducers (no electronics on the receiving end) is increased volume.
ā@billd9667 I guess you're not familiar with electronics design where analogue signal quality is important. A shared ground impedance in he amplifier to headphone driver circuit (measured in milli-ohms) can affect what you hear in unbalanced headphones. This effect is eliminated in a balanced connection where each driver has a separate current path.
I can definitely hear interconnects. Some sound expensive. Some sound inexpensive. Some sound like a total rip off!
Each and any cable regardless of price will sound differently, it is just a differences in level of the stereo system, quality of the setup and ālistening experience that creates all these heated arguments.
Rolls eyes
And what planet did you say you come from, again?
so in other words, it depends if the system is sufficiently resolving
@@mat.b. š exactly + listening experience.
@@JohnScot-c8h hahahaha. Someone doesnāt get the premise of this video. Right over da headā¦whoosh!
Better be careful of AI conflict. You're likely to generate a HAL 9000 series psychopath.
Two wordsā¦ null tester.
Hahaha. Back of the net.
It's such a relief to read comments that I'm also thinking, either that or we are all going deaf š
'In the context of AB testing experiments, statistical significance is how likely it is that the difference between your experiment's control version and test version isn't due to error or random chance. For example, if you run a test with a 95% significance level, you can be 95% confident that the differences are real.'
rationality ā 1 / investment
And I thought only cable hand felt by Peruvian virgins would make THE difference, and now I'm going to laugh like Scooby-Doo....................
He hopes he can.
Yeah, but what if they were 99.9999 copper!
That makes all the difference, so long as the cable is cryogenically processed.
You should spend 10% of the system value (on top of the value) on wire! It makes the sale far more profitable!
Ā£1000 hi-Fi needs Ā£100 wire! It just makes sense.
Not sure if you're posting sarcasm, but the signal isn't transmitted through the conductor, but in the Space outside of, no matter what the conductor is, via the Electric and Magnetic Fields generated by the Electron migration in the conductor. Which because the Electrons slam into the conductor's vibrating crystal lattice @ warmer than some 4 Kelvins, said Electrons even migrate in the reverse direction.
@@scottwolf8633 And there we have it people. At last, someone who knows what he's talking about. Kudos to you.
@@scottwolf8633sarcasm doesnāt have exclamation points.
@@billd9667 True for grammatically correct syntax in a text or published paper, but on youtube, one never knows what is being communicated, let alone the actual intent of the poster.
@@Lif-999 Can't take credit for what my Physics, E&M and Partial Differential Eqs. Profs taught me.
Audio Phil š
His friend is Mr S. Nakeoil
What can be asserted without evidence WILL BE dismissed without evidence!
AS IT SHOULD BE!
does personal knowledge qualify as evidence?
@@grumpy9478 āpersonal knowledgeā ? Sounds like an inverted oxymoron lol Personal is a redundant adjective for the noun knowledge. Either way, substitution of āknowledgeā for the word āevidenceā is not possible in the statement above, as it would not make literal sense. Hence, by logic, āknowledgeā and āevidenceā are not equal.
So there you go..
I just thought someone might be familiar w/ Polanyi's work. he was a chemist who developed ground-breaking critical philosophy ... more epistemology than semantics. anyway, his view offers valuable insight to the personal component of all knowledge. {important to bear in mind, scientific method through which evidence is derived is process - it does not deliver immutable truth.}
@@grumpy9478 well, Iām not familiar with the man or his work, but the reason why I responded as I did was because of that fact. Bu default, there is a personal component to all human knowledge, of course. You canāt completely remove the personal component from it that I know of. Thatās why I thought your adjective was redundant lol .. good stuff.. keep your thinking cap on ā¦ a lot of people donāt.
He should be wearing a cov1d mask.
The only time, twice actually, I heard a difference in sound was when I replaced OFC speaker cable with Mogami W3082 coaxial wire, $1.46 a foot. I had an immediate increase in bass output from my speakers, along with a bit cleaner midrange. As far as the other instance, the $50 Netgear GS108eV3 network switch had a marked effect on both PQ and SQ when installed into my network for streaming both video and audio. It looked like I had bought a new television in regards to PQ. The sound output was also improved on my little Polk Sound Bar with Bass module. Everyone in the house asked what did I do to the TV. That is it, and I have $400+ interconnects laying around here that sound no different than my inexpensive Mogami cables.
New network equipment does not improve picture or sound quality as such, but it can fix problems with data throughput. These last are not interesting to a true audiophile since they can actually be measured (Hitchens's razor does not apply).
@@baritonfelixThat $50 network switch did something, everyone noticed the difference. Blew me away.
he's as real as the staff, but somehow not as convincing.
So true.. This whole debate is a perfect example of the general state of ubiquitous (omni-present) audacity and/or ignorance of society as a whole, regardless of subject matter.
Dunning-Kruger effect. Dumb people think they know it all, smart people know that they donāt.
@@billd9667
Yep ... and none of us has any idea how much we don't know.
@@billd9667 great point!š
@@Douglas_Blake_579 also trueš
LMAO ! RIP Christopher Eric Hitchens.....Great video...cheers.
I mean, I love this channel and all, but a big thumbs up for more of Betty, Debbie and new-boy Phil, a little less of the old fart in his boomy man-cave.
I don't know how many times I've heard that statement over the last 20 to 30 years. It makes my eyes roll every time I hear it.
You have obviously never heard Nordost Valhalla.
I once used a set in a Denon Hi-Fi and it sounded better than a Macintosh/Wilson set up! Donāt underestimate the power of wire!
@@NathanOakley1980 You misspelled wine again.
ā@@NathanOakley1980 Yeah, and we can't contradict the true like that! š¤£We just need to trust Your word.
@@Roof_Pizza
ROFL ... wish I could give you more š for that one!
@@Roof_Pizza āØāØāØāØ
I just wonder now tight T-shirts can get before you hear a difference.
From my expirience i can hear diffirenece between cheap cable like 2 euro and one like for 50 euro., but between one for 50 and second one for 75 no i can't hear the diffirenece.
Thats because that 2 euro cable aint working as it should, most probably not up to spec.
That's because the 2 quid cable is fucked.
we each have our own inflection point.
what the fuck does that even mean ??
Inflection Point Definition:-
The point of inflection or inflection point is a point in which the concavity of the function changes. It means that the function changes from concave down to concave up or vice versa. In other words, the point in which the rate of change of slope from increasing to decreasing manner or vice versa is known as an inflection point. Those points are certainly not local maxima or minima. They are stationary points.
do you mean 'Each to their own' ? or have you some deep and meaningful reason why that guy isn't talking bollocks ??@@grumpy9478
Yeah, sure You can Philip. And we all trust Your word!
Oh dear! AUDIOPHILE William says interconnects, speaker, ethernet and power cables ALL make a difference and I can prove it.
No you canāt. If you could, this debate would be over. It aināt.
@@billd9667 The debate is over! Like any hobby that costs money there always the neysayers that shout out loud that it's all rubbish, you don't know what you're talking about and so on, those kind of people are lacking knowledge,experience,or are just jealous because they'll never be able to afford an expensive hobby.
https://youtu.be/XDNXkixUjvs?si=FCakp7GVp3UYTA_c
Belief vs. science! š
Science ALWAYS wins.
@@ac81017 unfortunately nowadays, people are passing off āfaultyā science as their justification, and thereās a lot of ignorant people believing that faulty science.
I heard a speaker cable that made a huge difference in my system. in 1973 I had a Kenwood integrated amp with Jensen speakers. My speakers were connected to the amplifier with zip wire. Went to an audio shop and the dealer was raving about "Cobra Cables" They cost $200 almost as much as my amplifier, he let me take them home to try out. Connected the cables and put on a Grateful Dead record. The sound was horrendous, they cables turned out to be highly capacitive and combined with the impedance of the speakers caused my amplifier to oscillate wildly turned off the amp before they blew up and damaged the speakers.
Funny how audio snob operates his AI horse puppets.
I would have named him "Audio Philo". Just sayin'.
I can say the higher end stuff is better for a simple reason... longevity. Oxygen free wire and gold interconnects stand the test of time. Electricity (audio signals) do not pass inside of a wire, they pass on the surface. Oxidation of the wires and connectors can attenuate the signal. In a noise-free environment: new aluminum coat hangers are indistinguishable from $10000 connectors.
Electricity on the surface?
Skin effect is not an issue on low frequency signals such as those used in audio. While it does affect all signal transmissions, the skin depth at audio frequencies is greater than the diameter of the wire.
This presents an interesting problem for cable makers... these idiots producing the horse dong sized cables for microwatt level signals are actually increasing the wire diameter enough that skin effect might actually become an issue at the upper reaches of the 20k audio band.
I'm putting this in my favourites
š
When I started out listening to music as a 'serious' consumer, it was Theatre of Hate - Westworld that grabbed my attention. I had never heard anything like it, and haven't since, and I wanted to get the best quality copy of it that I could. I spent a few quid on decent headphones, a good turntable and amp, and a shiny new vinyl, and it sounded amazing. Then, as time progressed I was able to get better equipment and picked up new sounds and wider expressions in the music. it was a lot of fun.
But then I reached a point when there was nothing new to hear. it didn't matter how much I spent, the record sounded the same. There were a hundred self proclaimed experts talking all kinds of crap about how this and that would enhance the experience, but the simple truth is that the record sounded as good as it would ever sound, and there were no hidden layers that could only be unlocked with expensive cables and oxygen free titanium mcguffins. Anybody who tells you that they can tell the difference between connections is playing with themselves.
Yep ... Amazon Basics and Lamp Cord all the way....
Classic!!!
Hitchen's Razor, brilliant
Absolutely brilliant!
Phil looks rather "Butch Vig " don't ya think?
Loving Audio Phil, just know he has about 5 copies of Dark Side of the Moon
I like that. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I cannot hear my interconnects because they are silent. :-)
Guaranteed silent without them. š
You would be amazed how many blank stares I get when I tell people there's no sound in their electronics ... It's all just a single voltage that varies over time, a map of how to move the speaker cones. It's not sound until it leaves your speakers.
Very witty!
What, You didn't want to do the monologue? instead you used Phil as a fill in.
The space between ones ears has the biggest effect on audio clarity. I love the famous test where "a group of 12 self-professed "audiophiles" couldn't tell the difference between Monster 1000 speaker cables and plain old coat hangers"..in a double blind experiment they said both sounded "excellent" but could not identify which was which. (google it)
The truth is out there, you just need to look for it.
As long i am able to measure THD down to 110dB below the signal using standard ( non audiophile if you want to call it ) cables and wire i will never invest in "magical cables and interconnects". Not even when woven by mongolian virgins.
I can ear differences in my interconnects; it depends on how high I drop them from.
Only if you really believe that Neil Young can really hear the āholesā in digital music.
Haha, so true. So much commentary I see in audio circles (hifi, production, musicians) is so close to superstition that it's not funny.
HA! Good for you!
the 'resolving' line is a real explanation to a different discussion, inserted in bad faith as a shield for snakeoil
My first special interconnects were entry-level Audioquest. I think the more solid termination and soft outer cable must provide the same feeling of comfort and confidence to the signal that they gave me installing them š
There is a widespread belief amongst Audiophiles that they have Magic Ears that can hear audio effects that cannot be measured. This is nonsense. Modern test equipment is far more sensitive and accurate than the human ear. If you believe you can hear an audio effect that cannot be measured then you are either deluded or using the wrong test equipment.
... or both.
@@Douglas_Blake_579True
Sharpest ladies I have ever seen. That retort was a clincher. The audiophile was left speechless.
The old double blind test can dispense with b.s. claims of being able to hear any difference. Of course, it's not always practical.
Really very good I will share it.
Alex Jones got in shape tho
Excellent
LOL!!š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
13 years old and still on point ... https://youtu.be/m7ERMu825m4?si=vPWxCreFjWKjA67H
Laughs in rew
Lovely!
I use silver plated copper wire in my set up. It works fine here's the funny thing about it the silver cut high end extention and each of the metals help each other silver protects the copper and the silver carries the high end very fast. Copper carries the bottom end. A little slower. This is the only conclusion i can come up with its all in the Timing
You can hear the speed of light
Naaa ... it's all in your imagination.
And then ... there's this guy .... https://youtu.be/qWtxb80olSw?si=KYYD9lTlQ-2crfix
I too, can hear my interconnecting cables. I can't hear nuthin' without 'em though. š
The new guy ... Phil Ofit ... is quite the hoot.
Or more likely already " sufficiently resolving ". I buy my "25 $" interconnects at for 39 cents a pound at the trift stores as there are plenty of them there. Driver selection, placement and crossover ( configuration and components...those don't need to be horribly expensive either just keep it simple as possible) gives me sufficient resolution. That does take some time and experimentation, but not alot of $. Home built (best speakers in the world " or more correctly.. well suited to the space they were tuned in. As I've said before an addict will say that do anything to feed an addiction. You can stay in budget and keep your family's needs in perspective and achieve sufficiently resolving. When your step outside side of that you've crossed from audiophile to addict. As it is what I notice instantly is the quality of the recording . I can quickly tweak that a bit with levels and sometimes not. Have a good day all and keep it real for your family's sake. The money tree is due for some lean crops .
Hey rich guy, stop showing off with your 25 interconnects.
We humans don't possess the most sensitive ears. Can pets and wild animals be audiophiles? Can they physically suffer from the lack of sound quality? They live among us. Don't we have to think of them? Take them into account?
A cat of mine freaked out when I put on She Drives Me Crazy by Fine Young Cannibals a while back - and he was a calm cat. With a better system now and an even more chill cat, i'm hesitant to retry.
LMAO!!
When i used the old welding cables from the ship yard i achieved that smokey sound.
i would have expected them to sound a bit saltier as well
maybe his hearing's got rust.
Like a virologist. You must believe me.
Yes but my eBay is littered with audiophile Philās recommendations, I need Betty and Debbie!š¢
Hahaha. Fantastic!
This is perhaps the most succinct rebuttal of the typical, delusional [I've met so many of 'em over the years] so called audioiphile I have seen.
Much kudos to you for the reality check.
RIP CH.
Wanna stop them dead in their tracks?
"Prove you can hear it..."
@@Douglas_Blake_579 They don't have to, they're audiophiles.
@@mat.b.
Hitchen's Razor ... My friend.
I CAN HEAR THE IMPROVEMENT USING BALANCED HEADPHONES !!! ( sarcasm alert !)
They are louder, thatās all - on short runs. On longer runs (12ft+), they might be a bit quieter too. Any other differences are imagined
@@billd9667 the idea that a voice coil and its cable can be balanced or not is bizarre. but the word balanced sounds like it solved a problem of "unbalancededness". as opposed to diffential balanced lines with an invert summing op amp
Well, I suppose it is better than listening with your head canted off to one side.
@@marxman00 balanced cables have a use in pro (studio) audio, but, as you say, the only influence they have on transducers (no electronics on the receiving end) is increased volume.
ā@billd9667 I guess you're not familiar with electronics design where analogue signal quality is important. A shared ground impedance in he amplifier to headphone driver circuit (measured in milli-ohms) can affect what you hear in unbalanced headphones. This effect is eliminated in a balanced connection where each driver has a separate current path.
I can definitely hear interconnects. Some sound expensive. Some sound inexpensive. Some sound like a total rip off!
Each and any cable regardless of price will sound differently, it is just a differences in level of the stereo system, quality of the setup and ālistening experience that creates all these heated arguments.
Rolls eyes
And what planet did you say you come from, again?
so in other words, it depends if the system is sufficiently resolving
@@mat.b. š exactly + listening experience.
@@JohnScot-c8h hahahaha. Someone doesnāt get the premise of this video. Right over da headā¦whoosh!
Better be careful of AI conflict. You're likely to generate a HAL 9000 series psychopath.
Two wordsā¦ null tester.
Hahaha. Back of the net.
It's such a relief to read comments that I'm also thinking, either that or we are all going deaf š
'In the context of AB testing experiments, statistical significance is how likely it is that the difference between your experiment's control version and test version isn't due to error or random chance. For example, if you run a test with a 95% significance level, you can be 95% confident that the differences are real.'
rationality ā 1 / investment
And I thought only cable hand felt by Peruvian virgins would make THE difference, and now I'm going to laugh like Scooby-Doo....................
He hopes he can.
Yeah, but what if they were 99.9999 copper!
That makes all the difference, so long as the cable is cryogenically processed.
You should spend 10% of the system value (on top of the value) on wire! It makes the sale far more profitable!
Ā£1000 hi-Fi needs Ā£100 wire! It just makes sense.
Not sure if you're posting sarcasm, but the signal isn't transmitted through the conductor, but in the Space outside of, no matter what the conductor is, via the Electric and Magnetic Fields generated by the Electron migration in the conductor. Which because the Electrons slam into the conductor's vibrating crystal lattice @ warmer than some 4 Kelvins, said Electrons even migrate in the reverse direction.
@@scottwolf8633 And there we have it people. At last, someone who knows what he's talking about. Kudos to you.
@@scottwolf8633sarcasm doesnāt have exclamation points.
@@billd9667 True for grammatically correct syntax in a text or published paper, but on youtube, one never knows what is being communicated, let alone the actual intent of the poster.
@@Lif-999 Can't take credit for what my Physics, E&M and Partial Differential Eqs. Profs taught me.
Audio Phil š
His friend is Mr S. Nakeoil
What can be asserted without evidence WILL BE dismissed without evidence!
AS IT SHOULD BE!
does personal knowledge qualify as evidence?
@@grumpy9478 āpersonal knowledgeā ? Sounds like an inverted oxymoron lol Personal is a redundant adjective for the noun knowledge. Either way, substitution of āknowledgeā for the word āevidenceā is not possible in the statement above, as it would not make literal sense. Hence, by logic, āknowledgeā and āevidenceā are not equal.
So there you go..
I just thought someone might be familiar w/ Polanyi's work. he was a chemist who developed ground-breaking critical philosophy ... more epistemology than semantics. anyway, his view offers valuable insight to the personal component of all knowledge. {important to bear in mind, scientific method through which evidence is derived is process - it does not deliver immutable truth.}
@@grumpy9478 well, Iām not familiar with the man or his work, but the reason why I responded as I did was because of that fact. Bu default, there is a personal component to all human knowledge, of course. You canāt completely remove the personal component from it that I know of. Thatās why I thought your adjective was redundant lol .. good stuff.. keep your thinking cap on ā¦ a lot of people donāt.
He should be wearing a cov1d mask.
The only time, twice actually, I heard a difference in sound was when I replaced OFC speaker cable with Mogami W3082 coaxial wire, $1.46 a foot. I had an immediate increase in bass output from my speakers, along with a bit cleaner midrange. As far as the other instance, the $50 Netgear GS108eV3 network switch had a marked effect on both PQ and SQ when installed into my network for streaming both video and audio. It looked like I had bought a new television in regards to PQ. The sound output was also improved on my little Polk Sound Bar with Bass module. Everyone in the house asked what did I do to the TV. That is it, and I have $400+ interconnects laying around here that sound no different than my inexpensive Mogami cables.
New network equipment does not improve picture or sound quality as such, but it can fix problems with data throughput. These last are not interesting to a true audiophile since they can actually be measured (Hitchens's razor does not apply).
@@baritonfelixThat $50 network switch did something, everyone noticed the difference. Blew me away.
he's as real as the staff, but somehow not as convincing.
So true.. This whole debate is a perfect example of the general state of ubiquitous (omni-present) audacity and/or ignorance of society as a whole, regardless of subject matter.
Dunning-Kruger effect. Dumb people think they know it all, smart people know that they donāt.
@@billd9667
Yep ... and none of us has any idea how much we don't know.
@@billd9667 great point!š
@@Douglas_Blake_579 also trueš
LMAO ! RIP Christopher Eric Hitchens.....Great video...cheers.
I mean, I love this channel and all, but a big thumbs up for more of Betty, Debbie and new-boy Phil, a little less of the old fart in his boomy man-cave.
I don't know how many times I've heard that statement over the last 20 to 30 years. It makes my eyes roll every time I hear it.
You have obviously never heard Nordost Valhalla.
I once used a set in a Denon Hi-Fi and it sounded better than a Macintosh/Wilson set up! Donāt underestimate the power of wire!
@@NathanOakley1980 You misspelled wine again.
ā@@NathanOakley1980 Yeah, and we can't contradict the true like that! š¤£We just need to trust Your word.
@@Roof_Pizza
ROFL ... wish I could give you more š for that one!
@@Roof_Pizza āØāØāØāØ
I just wonder now tight T-shirts can get before you hear a difference.
From my expirience i can hear diffirenece between cheap cable like 2 euro and one like for 50 euro., but between one for 50 and second one for 75 no i can't hear the diffirenece.
Thats because that 2 euro cable aint working as it should, most probably not up to spec.
That's because the 2 quid cable is fucked.
we each have our own inflection point.
what the fuck does that even mean ??
Inflection Point Definition:-
The point of inflection or inflection point is a point in which the concavity of the function changes. It means that the function changes from concave down to concave up or vice versa. In other words, the point in which the rate of change of slope from increasing to decreasing manner or vice versa is known as an inflection point. Those points are certainly not local maxima or minima. They are stationary points.
do you mean 'Each to their own' ? or have you some deep and meaningful reason why that guy isn't talking bollocks ??@@grumpy9478
Yeah, sure You can Philip. And we all trust Your word!
Oh dear! AUDIOPHILE William says interconnects, speaker, ethernet and power cables ALL make a difference and I can prove it.
No you canāt. If you could, this debate would be over. It aināt.
@@billd9667 The debate is over! Like any hobby that costs money there always the neysayers that shout out loud that it's all rubbish, you don't know what you're talking about and so on, those kind of people are lacking knowledge,experience,or are just jealous because they'll never be able to afford an expensive hobby.
https://youtu.be/XDNXkixUjvs?si=FCakp7GVp3UYTA_c
Belief vs. science! š
Science ALWAYS wins.
@@ac81017 unfortunately nowadays, people are passing off āfaultyā science as their justification, and thereās a lot of ignorant people believing that faulty science.
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@kevinhennessey3189: I heard a speaker cable that made a huge difference in my system. in 1973 I had a Kenwood integrated amp with Jensen speakers. My speakers were connected to the amplifier with zip wire. Went to an audio shop and the dealer was raving about "Cobra Cables" They cost $200 almost as much as my amplifier, he let me take them home to try out. Connected the cables and put on a Grateful Dead record. The sound was horrendous, they cables turned out to be highly capacitive and combined with the impedance of the speakers caused my amplifier to oscillate wildly turned off the amp before they blew up and damaged the speakers.
@danender5555: Funny how audio snob operates his AI horse puppets.
@usaturnuranus: I would have named him "Audio Philo". Just sayin'.
@matlilly8795: I can say the higher end stuff is better for a simple reason... longevity. Oxygen free wire and gold interconnects stand the test of time. Electricity (audio signals) do not pass inside of a wire, they pass on the surface. Oxidation of the wires and connectors can attenuate the signal. In a noise-free environment: new aluminum coat hangers are indistinguishable from $10000 connectors.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @matlilly8795: Electricity on the surface?
Skin effect is not an issue on low frequency signals such as those used in audio. While it does affect all signal transmissions, the skin depth at audio frequencies is greater than the diameter of the wire.
This presents an interesting problem for cable makers... these idiots producing the horse dong sized cables for microwatt level signals are actually increasing the wire diameter enough that skin effect might actually become an issue at the upper reaches of the 20k audio band.
@chuckmaddison2924: I'm putting this in my favourites
@taidee: š
@tussk.: When I started out listening to music as a 'serious' consumer, it was Theatre of Hate - Westworld that grabbed my attention. I had never heard anything like it, and haven't since, and I wanted to get the best quality copy of it that I could. I spent a few quid on decent headphones, a good turntable and amp, and a shiny new vinyl, and it sounded amazing. Then, as time progressed I was able to get better equipment and picked up new sounds and wider expressions in the music. it was a lot of fun.
But then I reached a point when there was nothing new to hear. it didn't matter how much I spent, the record sounded the same. There were a hundred self proclaimed experts talking all kinds of crap about how this and that would enhance the experience, but the simple truth is that the record sounded as good as it would ever sound, and there were no hidden layers that could only be unlocked with expensive cables and oxygen free titanium mcguffins. Anybody who tells you that they can tell the difference between connections is playing with themselves.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @tussk.: Yep ... Amazon Basics and Lamp Cord all the way....
@chrissmith7069: Classic!!!
@richarddeluen5973: Hitchen's Razor, brilliant
@andywray3446: Absolutely brilliant!
@marxman00: Phil looks rather "Butch Vig " don't ya think?
@DavidTurnbull-l7h: Loving Audio Phil, just know he has about 5 copies of Dark Side of the Moon
@chuckmaddison2924: I like that. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
@cdl0: I cannot hear my interconnects because they are silent. :-)
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @cdl0: Guaranteed silent without them. š
You would be amazed how many blank stares I get when I tell people there's no sound in their electronics ... It's all just a single voltage that varies over time, a map of how to move the speaker cones. It's not sound until it leaves your speakers.
@jjakes5589: Very witty!
@glennlove461: What, You didn't want to do the monologue? instead you used Phil as a fill in.
@marxman00: The space between ones ears has the biggest effect on audio clarity. I love the famous test where "a group of 12 self-professed "audiophiles" couldn't tell the difference between Monster 1000 speaker cables and plain old coat hangers"..in a double blind experiment they said both sounded "excellent" but could not identify which was which. (google it)
@madmeister407: The truth is out there, you just need to look for it.
@paullongtailpair3812: As long i am able to measure THD down to 110dB below the signal using standard ( non audiophile if you want to call it ) cables and wire i will never invest in "magical cables and interconnects". Not even when woven by mongolian virgins.
@peanutbutterjellyjam2179: I can ear differences in my interconnects; it depends on how high I drop them from.
@TucsonBillD: Only if you really believe that Neil Young can really hear the āholesā in digital music.
@adam872: Haha, so true. So much commentary I see in audio circles (hifi, production, musicians) is so close to superstition that it's not funny.
@bobsykes: HA! Good for you!
@mat.b.: the 'resolving' line is a real explanation to a different discussion, inserted in bad faith as a shield for snakeoil
@BobGeogeo: My first special interconnects were entry-level Audioquest. I think the more solid termination and soft outer cable must provide the same feeling of comfort and confidence to the signal that they gave me installing them š
@geoff37s38: There is a widespread belief amongst Audiophiles that they have Magic Ears that can hear audio effects that cannot be measured. This is nonsense. Modern test equipment is far more sensitive and accurate than the human ear. If you believe you can hear an audio effect that cannot be measured then you are either deluded or using the wrong test equipment.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @geoff37s38: ... or both.
@geoff37s38 replies to @geoff37s38: @@Douglas_Blake_579True
@msingh1932: Sharpest ladies I have ever seen. That retort was a clincher. The audiophile was left speechless.
@catkeys6911: The old double blind test can dispense with b.s. claims of being able to hear any difference. Of course, it's not always practical.
@fernandozegarraaudio8144: Really very good I will share it.
@secondthought2: Alex Jones got in shape tho
@teashea1: Excellent
@ivanpedrero1455: LOL!!š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
@Douglas_Blake_579: 13 years old and still on point ... https://youtu.be/m7ERMu825m4?si=vPWxCreFjWKjA67H
@Gw49172: Laughs in rew
@koma-k: Lovely!
@phillipkelly736: I use silver plated copper wire in my set up. It works fine here's the funny thing about it the silver cut high end extention and each of the metals help each other silver protects the copper and the silver carries the high end very fast. Copper carries the bottom end. A little slower. This is the only conclusion i can come up with its all in the Timing
@marxman00 replies to @phillipkelly736: You can hear the speed of light
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @phillipkelly736: Naaa ... it's all in your imagination.
@Douglas_Blake_579: And then ... there's this guy .... https://youtu.be/qWtxb80olSw?si=KYYD9lTlQ-2crfix
@joelcarson4602: I too, can hear my interconnecting cables. I can't hear nuthin' without 'em though. š
@Douglas_Blake_579: The new guy ... Phil Ofit ... is quite the hoot.
@stevengagnon4777: Or more likely already " sufficiently resolving ". I buy my "25 $" interconnects at for 39 cents a pound at the trift stores as there are plenty of them there. Driver selection, placement and crossover ( configuration and components...those don't need to be horribly expensive either just keep it simple as possible) gives me sufficient resolution. That does take some time and experimentation, but not alot of $. Home built (best speakers in the world " or more correctly.. well suited to the space they were tuned in. As I've said before an addict will say that do anything to feed an addiction. You can stay in budget and keep your family's needs in perspective and achieve sufficiently resolving. When your step outside side of that you've crossed from audiophile to addict. As it is what I notice instantly is the quality of the recording . I can quickly tweak that a bit with levels and sometimes not. Have a good day all and keep it real for your family's sake. The money tree is due for some lean crops .
@peanutbutterjellyjam2179 replies to @stevengagnon4777: Hey rich guy, stop showing off with your 25 interconnects.
@dummie4guitars: We humans don't possess the most sensitive ears. Can pets and wild animals be audiophiles? Can they physically suffer from the lack of sound quality? They live among us. Don't we have to think of them? Take them into account?
@BobGeogeo replies to @dummie4guitars: A cat of mine freaked out when I put on She Drives Me Crazy by Fine Young Cannibals a while back - and he was a calm cat. With a better system now and an even more chill cat, i'm hesitant to retry.
@clicks59: LMAO!!
@jackhreha4907: When i used the old welding cables from the ship yard i achieved that smokey sound.
@mat.b. replies to @jackhreha4907: i would have expected them to sound a bit saltier as well
@grumpy9478 replies to @jackhreha4907: maybe his hearing's got rust.
@sebastianhanzlik4644: Like a virologist. You must believe me.
@abdon1964: Yes but my eBay is littered with audiophile Philās recommendations, I need Betty and Debbie!š¢
@Lif-999: Hahaha. Fantastic!
This is perhaps the most succinct rebuttal of the typical, delusional [I've met so many of 'em over the years] so called audioiphile I have seen.
Much kudos to you for the reality check.
RIP CH.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @Lif-999: Wanna stop them dead in their tracks?
"Prove you can hear it..."
@mat.b. replies to @Lif-999: @@Douglas_Blake_579 They don't have to, they're audiophiles.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @Lif-999: @@mat.b.
Hitchen's Razor ... My friend.
@marxman00: I CAN HEAR THE IMPROVEMENT USING BALANCED HEADPHONES !!! ( sarcasm alert !)
@billd9667 replies to @marxman00: They are louder, thatās all - on short runs. On longer runs (12ft+), they might be a bit quieter too. Any other differences are imagined
@marxman00 replies to @marxman00: @@billd9667 the idea that a voice coil and its cable can be balanced or not is bizarre. but the word balanced sounds like it solved a problem of "unbalancededness". as opposed to diffential balanced lines with an invert summing op amp
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @marxman00: Well, I suppose it is better than listening with your head canted off to one side.
@billd9667 replies to @marxman00: @@marxman00 balanced cables have a use in pro (studio) audio, but, as you say, the only influence they have on transducers (no electronics on the receiving end) is increased volume.
@GodmanchesterGoblin replies to @marxman00: ā@billd9667 I guess you're not familiar with electronics design where analogue signal quality is important. A shared ground impedance in he amplifier to headphone driver circuit (measured in milli-ohms) can affect what you hear in unbalanced headphones. This effect is eliminated in a balanced connection where each driver has a separate current path.
@howardskeivys4184: I can definitely hear interconnects. Some sound expensive. Some sound inexpensive. Some sound like a total rip off!
@JohnScot-c8h: Each and any cable regardless of price will sound differently, it is just a differences in level of the stereo system, quality of the setup and ālistening experience that creates all these heated arguments.
@billd9667 replies to @JohnScot-c8h: Rolls eyes
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @JohnScot-c8h: And what planet did you say you come from, again?
@mat.b. replies to @JohnScot-c8h: so in other words, it depends if the system is sufficiently resolving
@JohnScot-c8h replies to @JohnScot-c8h: @@mat.b. š exactly + listening experience.
@billd9667 replies to @JohnScot-c8h: @@JohnScot-c8h hahahaha. Someone doesnāt get the premise of this video. Right over da headā¦whoosh!
@scottwolf8633: Better be careful of AI conflict. You're likely to generate a HAL 9000 series psychopath.
@michaelb9664: Two wordsā¦ null tester.
@Lif-999 replies to @michaelb9664: Hahaha. Back of the net.
@s_r_v: It's such a relief to read comments that I'm also thinking, either that or we are all going deaf š
@Roof_Pizza: 'In the context of AB testing experiments, statistical significance is how likely it is that the difference between your experiment's control version and test version isn't due to error or random chance. For example, if you run a test with a 95% significance level, you can be 95% confident that the differences are real.'
@frogandspanner: rationality ā 1 / investment
@paulphilippart7395: And I thought only cable hand felt by Peruvian virgins would make THE difference, and now I'm going to laugh like Scooby-Doo....................
@Tom-r1r: He hopes he can.
@NathanOakley1980: Yeah, but what if they were 99.9999 copper!
That makes all the difference, so long as the cable is cryogenically processed.
You should spend 10% of the system value (on top of the value) on wire! It makes the sale far more profitable!
Ā£1000 hi-Fi needs Ā£100 wire! It just makes sense.
@scottwolf8633 replies to @NathanOakley1980: Not sure if you're posting sarcasm, but the signal isn't transmitted through the conductor, but in the Space outside of, no matter what the conductor is, via the Electric and Magnetic Fields generated by the Electron migration in the conductor. Which because the Electrons slam into the conductor's vibrating crystal lattice @ warmer than some 4 Kelvins, said Electrons even migrate in the reverse direction.
@Lif-999 replies to @NathanOakley1980: @@scottwolf8633 And there we have it people. At last, someone who knows what he's talking about. Kudos to you.
@billd9667 replies to @NathanOakley1980: @@scottwolf8633sarcasm doesnāt have exclamation points.
@scottwolf8633 replies to @NathanOakley1980: @@billd9667 True for grammatically correct syntax in a text or published paper, but on youtube, one never knows what is being communicated, let alone the actual intent of the poster.
@scottwolf8633 replies to @NathanOakley1980: @@Lif-999 Can't take credit for what my Physics, E&M and Partial Differential Eqs. Profs taught me.
@andypyne: Audio Phil š
His friend is Mr S. Nakeoil
@shipsahoy1793: What can be asserted without evidence WILL BE dismissed without evidence!
AS IT SHOULD BE!
@grumpy9478 replies to @shipsahoy1793: does personal knowledge qualify as evidence?
@shipsahoy1793 replies to @shipsahoy1793: @@grumpy9478 āpersonal knowledgeā ? Sounds like an inverted oxymoron lol Personal is a redundant adjective for the noun knowledge. Either way, substitution of āknowledgeā for the word āevidenceā is not possible in the statement above, as it would not make literal sense. Hence, by logic, āknowledgeā and āevidenceā are not equal.
So there you go..
@grumpy9478 replies to @shipsahoy1793: I just thought someone might be familiar w/ Polanyi's work. he was a chemist who developed ground-breaking critical philosophy ... more epistemology than semantics. anyway, his view offers valuable insight to the personal component of all knowledge. {important to bear in mind, scientific method through which evidence is derived is process - it does not deliver immutable truth.}
@shipsahoy1793 replies to @shipsahoy1793: @@grumpy9478 well, Iām not familiar with the man or his work, but the reason why I responded as I did was because of that fact. Bu default, there is a personal component to all human knowledge, of course. You canāt completely remove the personal component from it that I know of. Thatās why I thought your adjective was redundant lol .. good stuff.. keep your thinking cap on ā¦ a lot of people donāt.
@richandiben: He should be wearing a cov1d mask.
@michaelwright1602: The only time, twice actually, I heard a difference in sound was when I replaced OFC speaker cable with Mogami W3082 coaxial wire, $1.46 a foot. I had an immediate increase in bass output from my speakers, along with a bit cleaner midrange. As far as the other instance, the $50 Netgear GS108eV3 network switch had a marked effect on both PQ and SQ when installed into my network for streaming both video and audio. It looked like I had bought a new television in regards to PQ. The sound output was also improved on my little Polk Sound Bar with Bass module. Everyone in the house asked what did I do to the TV. That is it, and I have $400+ interconnects laying around here that sound no different than my inexpensive Mogami cables.
@baritonfelix replies to @michaelwright1602: New network equipment does not improve picture or sound quality as such, but it can fix problems with data throughput. These last are not interesting to a true audiophile since they can actually be measured (Hitchens's razor does not apply).
@michaelwright1602 replies to @michaelwright1602: @@baritonfelixThat $50 network switch did something, everyone noticed the difference. Blew me away.
@grumpy9478: he's as real as the staff, but somehow not as convincing.
@shipsahoy1793: So true.. This whole debate is a perfect example of the general state of ubiquitous (omni-present) audacity and/or ignorance of society as a whole, regardless of subject matter.
@billd9667 replies to @shipsahoy1793: Dunning-Kruger effect. Dumb people think they know it all, smart people know that they donāt.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @shipsahoy1793: @@billd9667
Yep ... and none of us has any idea how much we don't know.
@shipsahoy1793 replies to @shipsahoy1793: @@billd9667 great point!š
@shipsahoy1793 replies to @shipsahoy1793: @@Douglas_Blake_579 also trueš
@andymouse: LMAO ! RIP Christopher Eric Hitchens.....Great video...cheers.
@Citizen-1a: I mean, I love this channel and all, but a big thumbs up for more of Betty, Debbie and new-boy Phil, a little less of the old fart in his boomy man-cave.
@jaakanshorter: I don't know how many times I've heard that statement over the last 20 to 30 years. It makes my eyes roll every time I hear it.
@NathanOakley1980 replies to @jaakanshorter: You have obviously never heard Nordost Valhalla.
I once used a set in a Denon Hi-Fi and it sounded better than a Macintosh/Wilson set up! Donāt underestimate the power of wire!
@Roof_Pizza replies to @jaakanshorter: @@NathanOakley1980 You misspelled wine again.
@isotoxin replies to @jaakanshorter: ā@@NathanOakley1980 Yeah, and we can't contradict the true like that! š¤£We just need to trust Your word.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @jaakanshorter: @@Roof_Pizza
ROFL ... wish I could give you more š for that one!
@pedrocols replies to @jaakanshorter: @@Roof_Pizza āØāØāØāØ
@Bob.martens: I just wonder now tight T-shirts can get before you hear a difference.
@ALPHONSO_NANOOK: From my expirience i can hear diffirenece between cheap cable like 2 euro and one like for 50 euro., but between one for 50 and second one for 75 no i can't hear the diffirenece.
@AbsoluteFidelity replies to @ALPHONSO_NANOOK: Thats because that 2 euro cable aint working as it should, most probably not up to spec.
@andymouse replies to @ALPHONSO_NANOOK: That's because the 2 quid cable is fucked.
@grumpy9478 replies to @ALPHONSO_NANOOK: we each have our own inflection point.
@andymouse replies to @ALPHONSO_NANOOK: what the fuck does that even mean ??
Inflection Point Definition:-
The point of inflection or inflection point is a point in which the concavity of the function changes. It means that the function changes from concave down to concave up or vice versa. In other words, the point in which the rate of change of slope from increasing to decreasing manner or vice versa is known as an inflection point. Those points are certainly not local maxima or minima. They are stationary points.
do you mean 'Each to their own' ? or have you some deep and meaningful reason why that guy isn't talking bollocks ??@@grumpy9478
@isotoxin replies to @ALPHONSO_NANOOK: Yeah, sure You can Philip. And we all trust Your word!
@ac81017: Oh dear! AUDIOPHILE William says interconnects, speaker, ethernet and power cables ALL make a difference and I can prove it.
@billd9667 replies to @ac81017: No you canāt. If you could, this debate would be over. It aināt.
@ac81017 replies to @ac81017: @@billd9667 The debate is over! Like any hobby that costs money there always the neysayers that shout out loud that it's all rubbish, you don't know what you're talking about and so on, those kind of people are lacking knowledge,experience,or are just jealous because they'll never be able to afford an expensive hobby.
https://youtu.be/XDNXkixUjvs?si=FCakp7GVp3UYTA_c
@nabman_: Belief vs. science! š
@ac81017 replies to @nabman_: Science ALWAYS wins.
@shipsahoy1793 replies to @nabman_: @@ac81017 unfortunately nowadays, people are passing off āfaultyā science as their justification, and thereās a lot of ignorant people believing that faulty science.