If you can't hear this then you're not an audiophile
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Tuesday June 6, 2023
David Mellor
David Mellor is CEO and Course Director of Audio Masterclass. David has designed courses in audio education and training since 1986 and is the publisher and principal writer of Adventures In Audio.
@SeanWyseman replies to @AudioMasterclass: There is NO problem. It's not a problem at all except to you. Your ignorance is making what is common use into a problem. That's weird - & is not representative of reality in song production. If you're really an audiophile you're stepping outside your field & commenting on a completely different field but spouting ignorance. You're in no position to comment on the recording business & it's techniques - having already demonstrated you don't know your stuff. Other producers have commented here also - producers who know their craft.
@erikbrodin2198 replies to @AudioMasterclass: @SeanWysemanalso sounds perfectly fine in mono so I don’t know what exactly is the point other than to pontificate on needless bs caused by other needless bs
@jamesportrais3946 replies to @AudioMasterclass: @AudioMasterclass - Most entertaining, but I must take a ittle bit of an issue.
I manufacture high-end analog components. I'm also a musician, and have played numerous instruments in bands & orchestras of all denomination. I know what real music sounds like in all manner of venues.
I simply don't quite understand your fixation on imagery. I'm listening to my workshop set-up which is basic & limited, but hilariously good! Everyone is gobsmacked by the realism - I played the CD of a sadly late friend, Nigel Richard; bagpipe builder and player extraordinare. He (without provocation) said it sounded just exactly as it did in the recording studio. Amazing what O/B's and concrete walls can acheive.
My workshop isn't very large - maybe 5 x 7 metres with the O/B's maybe 2.5 metres from me, situated roughly 1/3rd along the 7mtr, with me near the end wall. The OB's & I occupy that 1/3rd the space, the remainder of which is occupied by the apparitions of melodic performance. A nicely recorded small set up even taken from youtube can sound unnervingly real:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mCCMhuKEYw&ab_channel=JasonMraz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIyVu0Ucz8U&ab_channel=SouthernRaised
Well, they genuinely could fit in my room, and they do. Take that second track - the banjo starts right in the far right corner of the room from me. Sounds real - it's there. Rest is kinda mushed towards the centre left with the vocals about a metre forward. Nothing great going on with the imagery here, so why does it sound this good? Without paying autistic levels of scrutiny to imagery (I can feel roughly where it is, and thats no where near the speakers) and I get a strong impression of presence.
Go to the first track. Practically mono. In these sort of live gigs, the speakers could be anywhere but I'm pretty certain I'm hearing the best version taken straight from the mixer desk and post eq-d. Pretty sure it's not the imagery that's doing it for me now?
Neither of the above tracks require ear-splitting volume - you should always listen at realistic levels for acoustic music. Unfortunately for those desiring of orchestral levels of performance, some 106dB will be required.
I don't believe that imagery is as important as you appear to insist. Yes, I have tracks that move backward & forward, left and right. Sure it's a factor, but it's certainly not the most important - otherwise mono would be entirely redundant.Is there no such a thing as a mono oriented audiophile?
@SeanWyseman replies to @AudioMasterclass: @jamesportrais3946 The guy doesn't know his stuff. He doesn't know that there are 3 distinct disciplines & 5 more sub-disciplines that are normally divided up among as many people.
Sometimes you get someone who does it all. But those jobs are divided up - even in the mind of the person that wears every hat. I'm one of them that often does every stage himself because I'm good a them.
But when he enters the dialog with a bold & blatant statement that "you're not an audiophile if you can't hear this" - which is really clickbait because it's false. You can find all kinds of misinformation on YT & this is a perfect example. A guy grandstanding with an opening headline that knows not what & audiophile is. Then says you're not one if you can't hear this. Ridiculous. No audiophile is accurately described as such.
It may be an audiophile who's using his mixing appreciation skills - but that's not an audiophile's domain - figuring out if the mix engineer should have made the right artistic choice. That's not an audiophile that's making those observations even if he considers himself an audiophile - he's not talking about the fidelity of the sound - which is what defines an audiophile.
Why is important to make the correct distinctions - it's not that important unless you want to communicate it to others. Then it's important that you know the roles & definitions or you'll not gain an credibility by not knowing your topic more deeply than the public you are communicating with. This guy doesn't know his topic.
@jamesportrais3946 replies to @AudioMasterclass: @SeanWyseman I'm in your camp Sean, but I'm not certain he needs to be eviscerated 😛 - I can see why you were annoyed, but the guy is trying to promote his channel/business. We only learn through mistakes, and the modern culture of cancellation hardly allows any degree of growth.
I think the guy has 10 years on me which would mean that his formative years would have come from the late 70's-80's when "specifications" sold typically solid-state amplification. Let's not forget that only a couple of decades previously, your audio aspirations would be curtailed by a furniture-centric wife. I've seen "high end" radiograms from the late 60's/early 70's that had speakers, radio, TT, O/R tape recorder, fridge & cocktail bar (seriously!) all built in.
I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this. Early SS equipment sounded on the whole shyte but measured brilliantly. This was the era when the likes of Krell was king; megawatts & miniscule distortion combined with practically unlimited bandwidth & vanishing noise. All very nice, but sounded crap. Sandpaper treble, paper mids, bass that you couldn't distinguish from external traffic (you got pumped when you thought a truck on the road outside was part of the plot) and absolutely no depth - your program was nailed to a perspex sheet between your probably three-way speakers with seriously shyte crossovers. Everything we hated about early CD players was encapsulated in this meandering mess.
What that equipment could do was image. Inherently more consistently reproducible semi conductors meant consistence throughout the bandwidth. This means that a fixed pan-point is less likely to wander with varying degrees of frequency. If that's your only selling point, might as well push it - so they did.
Sean, I don't think our man has ever heard a proper stereo soundscape. My experience for more than a few decades has been one that you feel you could walk into. More than a few visitors go looking to the rear wall in order to find additional speakers that aren't there. Funny thing is, being O/B's, they turn around and hear the same phenominon!
I'd like our man to pay a few visits to very different set ups and gain a little experience. His writing, or rather talking doesn't smack of someone who's heard a Class A single ended micro-Watt set-up for example.
Your thoughts Sean?
@srdga4230: I did not hear a damn thing because I am using cheap computer speakers. I will take the song from the hi-res version in Tidal to my reference system. I'll bet it will sound fabulous.
@RayPaganJr: I’m not close to being an audio engineer p, but I know what my ears enjoy. I love this video and want to hear more. A few years late here, but I’m subscribing and adding Clarinet as Prima Donna to my library. Thank you.
@nemesisxp3533: the sizziling when the trumpets were high?
@MegaAlterSchwede: Stating that "there is a problem in this recording" is very subjective.
It might be that you would have preferred, if the instrument stayed at the center or slightly to the left, despite the artist moving a lot. But that is not what happend when it was being recorded. And this is also not what the audio engineers seem to have intended, otherwise they could have just attached a microphone to the instrument itself.
A problem, in my opinion, would be e.g. too much noise from the mics, some strange distortion due to not correctly level out the microphones, noise due to vibrations of the microphone or similar.
Stating the movement of the panning of the instrument as a problem is like stating that "the timing on that one note was not right on point, but 2ms to early". It is also nothing you - as the listener - could change anyway. So your equipment doesn't matter at all.
I would have preferred if it was stated like "there is some subtle feature in this recording", then I wouldn't have tried to find artifacts possibly produced or even eliminated by my setup (and no, I am not an audiophile, just standard headphones, simple monitoring satellite speakers and lots of noise from PCs and the environment/street).
Nevertheless, I agree that a lot of "audiophiles" think they are, when they really aren't.
@StevenBloomfield: Listening late at night, off center, I didn't notice movement as much as I thought the levels were occasionally too high. Interesting stuff!
@AxeDatcm: Me with my 1 dollar headset
Hmm yes indeed i can hear it
@AlexandreLollini: Music is arranging sounds in a way that is pleasing to the ears. There is no point in pursuing fidelity. The aim is to produce good sound, minimizing the flaws, maximizing dynamics, power and pleasure. For me filtering is better done by DSPs, and things must be measured, calibrated, and space must be minimally treated to avoid reflections when those are to close to the speaker. When things are in phase, delays set precisely, and there is enough sub and annoying room modes are dodged, things can sound amazing. I prefer XLR, and PA devices, so I am not an audiphile even if I get nice imaging out of my systems. I just enjoy music.
@inmyopinion6836: First was more open ambient and expansive , second was flatter. That , was evident on my system. The floating instrument was only evident after the 3rd listen.
@jcc777: To be able to identify what I heard I need to have a reference. Which means I either needed to have heard that recording before on something that I am familiar with or I need to have been at a live performance..
@ithryn: I didn't realize it was a problem but especially a certain part was definitely biased to the right side of stereo, I noted it and then continued to look for the problem, I'm on cheap bluetooth earbuds and my phone, I don't think I'm really an audiophile, as evidenced perhaps by not knowing that was a problem
@juanpablo-rdm: I'm an Audio Enthusiast of YouTube Music Videos
🙉
@zackk695: I’ve been in it for 45 years! I can tell the difference between high quality and low quality systems. No human can really tell the difference between high quality and super high quality. I would put any audiophile test together and have 5 sound systems. One being a $2000 system, then 3 systems around $4000 and then one that’s $20,000 and no expert would have gets it right with consistency. Not even possible. Most of it’s a bunch of hype. Now there are truths to how speakers and systems should be set up. There’s no doubt it can sound truly bad or great
@swayambhuhingane8763: Was someone typing in background? 🤔
@AudioMasterclass replies to @swayambhuhingane8763: Yes of course https://youtu.be/1upTPepErTY?t=175
@gladteer873: audiophiles are just wannabe musicians
@khrlshkrn: I hear clarinet sound from left n left high more often than right.
@davew4998: I've always been bemused by people who buy the most expensive audio equipment. They end up listening out for recording 'imperfections' rather than the beauty of the music. And what exactly is the 'true' sound they are looking for? If you go to a concert, the sound you hear depends very much on where you sit. I suppose you could say you want to hear it as the composer intended, but who knows what Beethoven had in mind when it comes to say the balance between the double bases and the violins? I once sat behind the double bases at the Royal Albert Hall during Beethovens 5th. It was quite an experience, but nothing like the sudio engineer was trying to capture.
My ex was a musician and we used to listen to music on a cheap radio. We listened to the performance not the burr of the speakers.
@shapeofsoup: I’m not a professed audiophile. I have some enthusiast instrumental, recording, and mixing experience.
I’m wearing AirPods Pro 3, and I noticed it immediately. But possibly only because I was listening for something. I also didn’t really log it as a problem. I found it enveloping, imagining the frequencies pulsing with life around me as the clarinetist moved about.
@freesaxon6835: Interesting ( no that's not sarcasm)
Just supposing you actually like to hear classic music
' nat -tuo - al ' with the orchestra in front of you.
Is that bad 👹👹 ?
OR
You praise yourself for being able to distinguish between one flute player and another ?
Is that bad 👹👹 ?
OK I know it's not as simple as that but.....
@AudioMasterclass replies to @freesaxon6835: If by "you" in your comment you mean me, don't worry - I have my season ticket for the BBC Proms at the ready, starting Friday https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/proms/bbc-proms-2026
@freesaxon6835 replies to @freesaxon6835: @AudioMasterclassI didn't mean YOU, I meant an individual reading the post
@freesaxon6835 replies to @freesaxon6835: A great ticket to have!
We were up so close to a recital in Manchester, and heard a string pop on a violin, and the expression on the violinist face .... all good real raw stuff
@JoMagus: I call me an adiophile but I didn't hear the jumping tones. I heard a clear clarinet sound and good composition BUT I heard some plops in the background. :) But my setup isn't that expensive and made not difference when I hear it with my Logitech Z623 2.1 PC-Speakers or my Sennheiser Game One and my Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty on CachyOS (Linux). I can tell your the difference between a MP3 and a FLAC but here I pass. ;) And yes, I have a very sensitive hearing. But I definitively hear irregularities in some songs.
@rexusdark716: Well thanks for making me figure out my headphones were on mono audio mode 😭
@dicktater9637: An audiophile is someone who doesn’t multitask when listening to music. It’s about being into and moved by the music, and not anything else.
@NoVoice71: See, I listened to this, having never heard this piece before. I actually did hear, and feel the shift between the channels. But to me, I thought there was nothing wrong with it as I, myself, took this piece at face value and assumed that it was MEANT to be heard that way. So, having the proper context for what one hears is also of utmost import.
Now to be fair, my setup is for music, movies and games. I have Infinity Loud Speakers from 1997 along with the matches center channel and 2 15" HSU subs, along with Klipsch rear side and rear rear speakers, all powered by a Dennon receiver.
So while I did hear it, I thought that's the way it was intended
@zettabyte7957: honestly, there is no problem with the recording. it's the finished product right? and it's coming through as it should. cause the audio engineer is to an extent, an artist, and just because you're not a fan as to how the artist put together their art doesn't mean it's wrong. it's like disliking a painting just because they didn't paint the genitals. if it was audio peaking then yeah that'd be an issue, but sterio doing sterio things is not only a not problem but a nice addition
@UiNemu: Is it just me or is there a gas leak-ish sound when he's speaking or when there's audio playing on the video?
@TilDovreFalls: I liked the wandering ound. Went well with the music.
@Flexximilian: Ridiculous to call this a "problem" in the first place. If you shall listen to a woodwind, and call movement of the performer a flaw, you might be an audio equipment or audio recording geek (which is fine), but this has nothing to do with enjoying music. The benchmark here is what a person in the room would here if sat at the sweet spot of the auditorium. One would hear the performer's movement. Of course! So no, I didn't hear anything *wrong" with this recording, since there isn't anything wrong with it.
@Elminator666: I am not an audiophile, but I did notice in the song that the clarinet did peak loudly in my right ear, but not in my left ear. I chocked it up to tinnitus in my left ear.
@fabianjaegerfjg: There is also a click Sound in youre first and second example
@paulofreitas9742: I thought you meant the sound of the clarinet keys moving. Personally, I just saw what you mentioned as a natural and common little detail, not really an issue.
@ryanmaxwelll2730: I'm prepared to believe some people can see ultraviolet and infrared light . . .
@gelioslist: Im simple man - didn’t hear the nuances or difference at all
@Tech-Synthetic: I had vocal boost on XD and everything sounded wrong compared to original piece and overall compressed, this makes a lot more sense when I turned it off and went back to listen properly.
@assStuckey: yeah im a human , not an audio file
@nuescu: the moving of the clarinet did not bother me, but the fact that it was very much "in front of me"did.
@amynagtegaal6941: As an audio engineer, stage technician and producer.
Some of the things audiophiles believe are true but not as of a big difference as they say it is, some other things are complete bs.
@UKA0x7C9: I am really impressed with the stereo sound of my phone speakers.
@MarcusClaudel: I was listening for something wrong as you stated. Therefore I didn't hear anything wrong. For a minute there I thought something was wrong with me lol
@TYT695: I listened multiple times using my trusted Sennheiser 600, I find nothing wrong, guess I am not an audiophile 🤣😂
@Austincj24: why does it sound like there is sweeping in the back round
@ujo4eva: Wouldn't call myself an audiophile, I just learned to run a live sound system volunteering at Church.
The clarinet just seemed to be moving around, is the only way I can describe it
@xhackxslashx: All I can hear (with my misophonia) is the squishy mouth sounds you’re making and it’s horrifying 😂😅
@Menruleall: The piano was invented because of recording engineers, really?
That's the only problem I hear in this video.
@richardbonner6931: to me the brass sounded a bit fuzzy, the solo was lovely.
@Rick-l4w: After you listen to the All NEW TNW Audio V12.1 Orthophase CELL Speakers you just might be calling them your "Holy Grail Speakers too" !
@Sarge92: the only think i can hear wrong or weird about it is a quiet clicking in the background its almost like keyboard keys
and if my setup is somehow supreme enough that i got it right i have amazing news
my iems cost me 39.99 on amazon and im using the default audio output of the steamdeck
@SyncopatedSoul: You are conflating about 10 things together. You don't even make it clear what you mean by audiophile. Not all audiophiles belive voodoo stuff. The test in the video is completely irelevant for anything really. You didn't even instruct to use a good system for the test. The biggest things I noticed is it sounded crap cause youtube and listening on my compoter. Why should anyone care if the clarinet moves a bit? More than anything it looks like you are enjoying rediculing and picking a fight.
@narutoonhypedrug6573: Whats that scratching sound i hear in the back of the music? Btw i can hear the buttons on the clarinet opening and closing.
@ken-in-KY: This is the LUNACY of these self described You Tube Audiophiles. If you're not buying OVERPRICED old, or new gear, or old, or new recordings you're not an audiophile. In this case, maybe the moving artist should've been secluded in the studio, but he wasn't. What a shame, right! No. What's shameful is the criticism of this fool. If you can't spend $100.00, or more for a vinyl album, or spend $1000.00, or more for a turntable you're not an audiophile which is utter horseshit!
@nophoria08: why would i want to be an audio file :( no mp3 pls
@dbmccoy12: On my cell phone the clarinet’s sound stayed center of the cell phone screen. No noticeable wandering.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @dbmccoy12: You must have a very steady grip.
@panD_a6: I heard it but I actually liked it instead of considering it a problem.
The melody invites you to follow it and wandering from side to side actually helps enhance that feeling.
@gledatelj1979: The audiophile effect is real science, and it proves that human sound perception is a full-body experience rather than just an eardrum mechanism. However, to actually benefit from it, you cannot just buy HD files; you need ultrasonic-capable room speakers, and music specifically recorded with ultrasonic microphones and digitally ripped from pristine vinyl.
@BillyKueekSG: Heard the to;t but thought its normal
@forestgreen9420: I heard it and thought "well it sounds alright is this a trick question? minus wtvr they did w the stereo image" so I heard it, but im a mix engineer so thats to be expected?
@frankcollins4743: What an absolute flog, a pretentious wanker.
@Tim.Stotelmeyer: I heard a note getting played like he was running out of breath.
@daviddunmore8415: I was too involved in the music to notice (Koss studio headphones)
@El_RoyCohen: I didn’t hear it even after
@sammytorres5549: I see, it’s kinda blurry
@Abandonedsergal: TO me the left channel sounded WAY too overpowered, the middle stage was gone, there was no STAGE it was just all over.
Equip, Soundcore Space one Pro, cheap Bluetooth connection, AAC and enabled Dolby Atmos of the headphones (Wich adds a weird echo)
@nu_the_enderman: I dont have golden ears but my ears are pretty good as I build and test studio monitor speakers and I didn’t notice the movement. Although I tend to test in mono so movement is not really something I listen for. I did how ever notice a faint hiss in the mix most likely the musicians breath
@vijilant: I'm not at all an audiophile, but I did hear it first time.
I used to play clarinet (not like that lol) so perhaps I was naturally tuned to it.
The bass notes were particularly obvious.
A huge part of the experience of live music in an acoustically designed space is the reflections. My favorite classical recordings are therefore very simple - a fake head with spaced micsb for properly occluded spatial audio, in the audience position. Done deal. Don't overthink it!
@Tol-j9o: me with my earphones set to mono...
@asdawece: Music is cultural since, you born you hear different kind of music. I have a good quality music set with FM support and I have cheap chinese BT to FM converted. The sound which is far from perfection reminds me my warm childhood home my parents was listening music from a cheap radio. There is no equipment better than cheap chinese bt to fm converter for me.
@asdawece: I was hoping to not hear difference and I didn't so I don't need to buy any expensive equipment yay!
@Rig1986: I've always listened to the instrument no one else could hear. I actually dislike drums and bass because i don't need a beat to stay on track. I just want the melody, the harmony and the feeling. I feel like people who need loud instruments are just trying to drown out some other thing in their life - not actually listening to music.
@nelsBrown-g5g: I heard a little wavering of the clarinet in the stereo field, but passed it off to whatever. I did hear one note, the lowest one played, dip down into the left channel, very obviously, and figured that was the issue. Actually, I thought that wasn't the issue, but gave it as my best guess, figuring I couldn't hear what the problem was.
@jeffolson3166: I know this is 2 years old already. I do love the details, but also the elephant! Thank you and now ill download some of his music.
@bollebobo: If it a bad recording because you can hear movement? Or is it a more alive? I think not a single audiofiel gives a ratsas about a flute that is moving from left to right. I actually like it. Because the flute player if moving to. For a piano it would be really crazy. Buad a flute?.
@Thunder-Box75: Pretentious waffle.
@jebbishop3: The premise in some of the comments (and maybe the video) that the goal of the recording is to replicate the experience you'd have if you were in the audience hearing the performance live is totally incorrect. Once you realize that, "flaws" such as the ones discussed here are no longer relevant.
@m4nhdng: I’m so confused. Im using a DAC and a proper earphones, but still cant hear the panning of the clarinet. is it because of the Youtube sound quality? because normally I can hear it well when it’s panning left to right. or am I paying attention to the wrong instrument? the clarinet is the main and the loudest instrument in this track, right?
P/s English is not my first language so the more I listen to him explaining the more confused I get 😢
@rontan8433: All the Audiophile can hear is his ego and justification that 20grand spent on some snake oil cables allows him to hear details that even the recording engineer can't hear😅
@deanmounsey9033: I was just testing out some new in ear monitors and I can hear slight shuffle sounds here and there perhaps from of the instrument I have no idea?
@Ninebinary: Arent ya kinda being an audioperv file tho by saying there's an issue w the recording? (They love frivolous flaw detection
@Ninebinary: You're onto something but it's not conclusive! When you circled all the mics visable they're mostly all on one side of the stage. So between several mics picking up clarinet (it's very loud), so most all mics, on the musician's left pick that up - plus strings lack of mics, you get an off balanced stereo image of things - not just the clarinet vis close mics.
@Deedzstl: Laughing because I’m deaf in one ear and listening to this in MONO
@bryants1329: I hear difference between cables.
first one more bright, second a tad more bass
@PeterbFree: I am sure they intended to capture his movement as a part of the recording. He IS moving, that's his style, and that is what you would hear if you were in front of him. The recording is accurate.
@MrRajvmmc1: Left side shimer of higher frequencies when the note peaks the mic sensitivity
@eFurman: I thought the issue was we could hear the pads on the clarinet
@andrewh7940: There is such a thing as too much movement but movement in itself can be a wonderful thing because it brings a more multidimensional quality to the sound, i actually think id prefer a little more movement, like when a guitar player moves a guitar around, it gives the music more life.
@renzotramaglino67: Credo sia inutile parlare di spazialitá del suono con questo tipo di registrazioni, è completamente falsata e reinventata dalla post produzione rispetto a quella di un ascoltatore in teatro, non abbiamo 20 orecchie, se vogliamo sentire i suoni con le reali riflessioni dell''acustica ambientale, una vera spazialitá data dai ritardi tra i 2 canali servono due punti di ripresa, esempio Neumann con la sua testa per la ripresa binaurale, o anche più semplicemente con le più modeste riprese X-Y.
Son sicuro che però sia più di effetto per l'ascoltatore medio una ripresa come questa, poi mixata, elaborata, compressa e ben equalizzata per fare più presa.
Più effetti speciali che vera alta fedeltá.
Niente in contrario con quest'approccio di registrazione, ma inutile fargli le pulci cercando qualitá che non può avere.
@lightweave: I can clearly hear the problem. The cable, connected to the microphone, recording this, had one strand broken, so it uses only 11 strands, rather than 12. Sounds horrible!
@woodybattle4906: I am watching this on an iPad. A lot different than listening to music on my main stereo.
@ve2um: BY FAR the absolute BEST reply to audiophiles by the great Dave Jones...
https:/youtu.be/m7ERMu825m4
@ve2um: If you consider that a $4000 2m power cable will improve your sound quality, despite that this $4000 snake oil is plugged into a receptacle fed by 15m of ROMEX, then you are an audiophile.
@CatvriX_X: In that case, nothing is wrong with the recording what is bro on
@themaspo1: Your argument is valid, the conclusion is not. It is a meassure for a soind engineer, as you state at 5:10 aprox, not about an audiophile
@jonascastejon5888: You're correct, I'm an audio file.
An MP3 to be exact.
@nrahal56: I always presumed it was part of the stereo mixing process, trying to make the sound more engaging and ethereal, so my question is "what is an Audiophile standard recording supposed to be?" Or is something that should change and adapt according to the quality and characteristics of the particular recording criteria and goals?.🤷 Personally I think Michael Jackson"s Album recordings from when he started his solo career are the best I've ever heard, it is said that Michael and Quincy Jones test for the quality of their recording was that if they could make it sound good on a small pocket radio then it would sound good on any system, and you know what, they were in my opinion right.
@TonyMcdogan: Does anyone kmow whu we are gerring ads on clean tube?
@michaelyates3334: I thought the performance was excellent as wwas the recording the fact that the stereo image wanders doesn't bother me in the slightest and no I didn't hear the stereo image wander but then I'm 79 years young. A well presented video I'm now subscribed.
@eph·emerald·a: I have no idea whatsoever he is complaining about here. Overly snobbish and besserwisserish and smug about hearing something he knows not everyone can pick up. I guess I am one of those lesser beings who are happy to listen to this and find no fault whatsoever. It sounds beautifully human and alive to me!
So … is it the stereo movement? It is lovely to me — and if you don’t like it, stick to mono recordings, lol. Is it the recurring and insanely faint sound of movement of fingers/clothes/instrument? It is a real instrument and is supposed to sould like someone is playing it.
I am stuck with three questions:
1. how do people like this cope with live guitar, classical or not? The swooooshing in not seldom louder than the actual playing.
2. would ”perfection” in the shape of AI feel better? I mean, if the human with all its flaws is removed, all is well … right?
3. would Jarrett’s Köln concert do your head/ears in?
@AudioMasterclass replies to @eph·emerald·a: Is ‘Beckmesserisch’ the word you were looking for?
@eph·emerald·a replies to @eph·emerald·a: @AudioMasterclassPossibly both, tbh.
@eph·emerald·a replies to @eph·emerald·a: Also … Q.E.D.
@inthefade: I produce electronic pop, dance music, but also experimental ambient and drone music, and I just love this kind of panning. I will go out of my way to make instruments have this kind of chaotic movement! Which is probably why I didn't notice it, or even if I did, I wouldn't have cared!
This is what makes recording things in a real space, and with real performers if you can manage it, is so fun to listen back to!
In fact, I love recording vocalists with two or three microphones, and having them be energetic and move around while singing! IF they are that kind of singer and performer, of course. And then pan the microphones. For me, those moments aren't about capturing reality, it is about making it fun to listen to! Even the phasing, is weird and doesn't work for that particular track, I can always just pick one microphone for the mix. But more often than not I'll do something odd that only a keen listener will notice.
I get why you wouldn't want to do these kind of Eno-esque experiments with classical or jazz performances. But with nearly any other genre, why not make it more fun and interesting for the listener?
Thanks for the video!
@ideal19XX: So you’re not an audiophile ! Hopefully, you didn’t watch the video on your smartphone and now think the guy is diagnosing you with poor hearing.
@alexdewout: I think I'm an ordinary audio enthusiast and I initially didn't hear it because... I didn't know what to hear or not hear ! And I think it has absolutely no point. Honestly, if each time the music is played the same way, musicians moving or not, technicians placing the microphones here or there, then what's the point of listening to the same piece by different ensembles, in different places, etc ? Part of the pleasure of listening to music is precisely realize that different players or orchestras will produce different things, and it's up to each one of us to enjoy one better than the other. Thank God there are differences !!
@SimpleIdeaz: I heard the annoying tick in the background... Thought that was it. Glad I have a simple setup then 😂
@papsy6550: i really thought that these sort of things are intentional