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Wednesday August 28, 2024
David Mellor
David Mellor is CEO and Course Director of Audio Masterclass. David has designed courses in audio education and training since 1986 and is the publisher and principal writer of Adventures In Audio.
@Proud-in-Ukrainian: Vandal Line guitarist/vocalist is so into music his hand is literally becoming one with the guitar XD
@fretbuzz_: It all sounds like garbage music you would here in the mall stores.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @fretbuzz_: Just wait until AI starts making Christmas music.
@fretbuzz_ replies to @fretbuzz_: @AudioMasterclass ugh
@davengg8467: Music is for the people by the people not ai
@EgoShredder: I would say that all the examples shown, are based on real music that is normally very plastic and generic to start with, and could easily be mistaken for being AI generated. A much bigger challenge would be for the AI to try come up with something, that is normally created by highly original thinking "one-off" musicians the kind you only see once every fifty to a hundred years. That being said the examples were impressive given what they were attempting to do.
@buriedbits6027: Humans exceed at creativity. We have key ingredients, a soul, spirit, genuine emotions and a consciousness, a body that goes through everything from birth to pleasure to old age and death. Machines won’t be able to reach that level of emotional intelligence and humility authentically. I am not suggesting that interesting compositions or beauty cannot be achieved by AI but perception of visual and audio arts, is in the eye, or ear, of the beholder. Then again, I may be wrong but for the time being i believe we are masters of the arts.❤
: Who needs an audience?
@davidh7959: The technology/software will only get better, this is just the start. And as it progresses what will happen to live, struggling artists and musicians. It is very scary. I'll be attending more live concerts, even tribute or cover bands are real people playing real instruments.
@foxtrotzulualpha: Sounds like crap
@buriedbits6027: I tried it and either I can’t create good music from the keyboard nor find anything of interest.
@davidmorgen4558: Ill pass on all of it! Give me Progressive rock an Folk or jazz any day of the week by real Musicans none of that other generated Crap!!
@AudioMasterclass replies to @davidmorgen4558: Problem is that unless you isolate yourself in a cone of silence you won’t be able to escape it.
@DanBrazierMusic: Never thought Youtube would recommend me a video about AI music that turned out to be from one of my old Music Tech teachers
@AudioMasterclass replies to @DanBrazierMusic: I told you it would be scary.
@Nichtmoslem999: i am not for AI - Art ...
@Popecody55: Can you help me..do j need a dac. When j have bw px2 headphones. Some say yes other no. Please help. Love from Denmark the small country.😂😂😂
@Popecody55 replies to @Popecody55: J use usb c
@nikolaki: Was that Audio Phil on the first track?
@AudioMasterclass replies to @nikolaki: If there’s a demand to hear Phil sing I’m sure it can be arranged.
@humblestever24: So what are Betty's club dates ? Fantastic.
The AI is impressive, just copycat at this stage but still.
Who was the old Greek bloke who said it all came down to numbers? Come on David you're from Oxford.
@humblestever24 replies to @humblestever24: Pythagoras.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @humblestever24: Oxfordshire not Oxford university!
@lastefan01: AI generated ”stuff” is uninteresting. It doesen’t matter how ”good” it is. If not created by a humans blood, sweat and tears, it automatically becomes uninteresting. There have to be a soul, a human story told, some effort put in to it for it to be art. Otherwhise it’s just plain uninteresting…
@DaBigBoo_ replies to @lastefan01: midwit take
@PaulHaussler-bs1qi: Oh holy cow!!! Kinda like Betty's version. What does Audiophil think?
Paul H.
Huntington Beach, CA
@AudioMasterclass replies to @PaulHaussler-bs1qi: When Audio Phil finds an AI track that he likes, he gathers together a bunch of musician friends, hires a studio and rerecords it. Unfortunately, he and his friends keep their work to themselves.
@humblestever24 replies to @PaulHaussler-bs1qi: @AudioMasterclass That's so SoCal trippy! It's not unfortunate man, it's so cool .
@budgetkeyboardist: GREAT video as always! I have to agree, these AI tracks are pretty close to the technically perfect yet very boring music on the radio these days. Sort of makes you wonder if today's radio artists aren't already using this tech. I'll tell you what's missing, and it isn't soulful human performances... the melodies are boring, the production is boring, the chord changes are boring, and it's lacking any evidence whatsoever of cool. If someone did manage to get these tracks on the radio, I do not believe they would do well. People might not notice that they're fake, but I don't see people loving these tracks. All of this could be fixed by having a good music writer write better melodies, better chord progressions, do something more interesting with the arrangement and the mix, and throw in some surprises. I think THAT is a more likely future than letting the computer do it. These tunes are flat out boring.
@mikrophonie5633: What happens when you put in the text prompt "Sinister neo-folk music with strummed acoustic guitars and martial drumming, with lyrics about the death of the West"? Hmm...
@audiononsense1611: Wall-E save us!!!
@robh9079: err.... you weren't AI too were you......?
@AudioMasterclass replies to @robh9079: Perhaps indeed I’m artificial. As for intelligent, I’ll leave that for others to decide.
@EricB256: The 3rd track is the best of the bunch. People who just want to have a good night out and dance probably won't bother with how the track was created. It gets you dancing, and if the right people are there on the night to dance with you, that's what you will remember when you listen back to the track. In this scenario, it doesn't matter much what the bell sounds like that Pavlov's dog listens to, if I may word it a bit harsh.
What impressed me most about the 2nd track was the "singer"'s great voice. It's sad that he's not real because he could have a great career as a touring act. But nobody wants to listen to this genre of music at a live gig when the vocals are pre-recorded. They could bring a real band onto the stage if it becomes a hit, kind of like producers back in the 60s did with the Grass Roots, of all people. Yet, the singer is hard to replace. It's the same dilemma that the Rubettes and their management faced after Paul Da Vinci did not sign on with them.
Also, the drum parts of the 2nd track were not up to par with what you would expect from a high profile production. They are kind of stale and repetitive. But that's a high-end criticism that the masses might not care about.
The 1st track was not really good. I know a lot of music from this genre that I can compare it to. The lyrics are not very good and the harmony vocals aren't really there but lost in the mix. It's like it's the same indistinctive voice is singing all harmony parts in a way that they are blended together so much that there is no variation. The harmony is just there, but hardly. Also, the song is boring. It needs a rewrite before I would even consider to ask the "band" to record another version of it.
Also: there are no inventive production choices on any of these tracks, just the familiar tropes associated with their respective genres. So maybe I just rate the 3rd track as the best of the bunch because I'm not overly familiar with the tropes of the genre?
@utube4andydent: I guess the point is that all the examples are based on already created music. If this tech was available a few hundred years ago we'd still be making Georgian Chants and Ballard by John Downland. I'm sure as AI grows it will develop it's own musical styles.
@utube4andydent: Betty you have hidden talents/ wonder how Tina and Audio Phil have taken this new career move.
@punkhillbilly3869: Music for the of NPCs of the world.
@KN-kg6gr: FACT is that this was GENUINELY bad. And THAT is the only GOOD (authentic) thing about it.
@bradashlock: These songs are phenomenal. People saying they lack soul is just biased BS. As an artist, I view these songs as a call to battle! We humans need to be more primal, more raw, more punk, more Rated X - we need to go cave man. Listen to JPEGMAFIA- he’s ripping apart structure with collage loops half lost in swaths of distortion and very radio unfriendly lyrics AI is not allowed to go. We gotta go hardcore!
@mathumphreys: I like to put the artist name in quotes when I refer to AI "artists" lol. I'm yet to hear an AI song that's interesting as music, not just interesting because it was created by AI. Personally I don't care either way about AI created content in principle, for me it only becomes a problem when people try to pass this stuff off as their own compositions.
@nitromcclean: Well I can easily say that I am perplexed by the quality of this AI music. Not so long ago the music was badly composed and badly performed and above all the sound quality was terrible. I think that many people who listen to modern music do not realize that this is AI.
I just tried something to create with Udio myself. My first conclusion; it is terrible! As other people say, it is lifeless without a soul. I don't know how to describe this better. Options on Udio are very limited, so I don't know serious it can be taken now. But comparing the progress from only sux month's ago, I ask myself where it will be after 6 6 months from now.
@Truthinshredding1: just sounds derivative, no surprise as it's trained on, and therefore copies existing music. No doubt it will reduce the cost of music production and therefore be used by Spotify to increase their income. We need to get back to live music with real people.
@MarkThomas-hm3ju: How about the Beat Hoovens whose major influence is Beethoven and Black Sabbath.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @MarkThomas-hm3ju: Hey, I want to hear this. I'm clicking over to Udio right now...
@AudioMasterclass replies to @MarkThomas-hm3ju: OK so I've tried that. Clearly Udio knows very little about Beethoven.
@robertjbelenger: I hope this thing makes people appreciate "imperfect music" (a.k.a. organic music) much more.
@TheAntibozo: "What's not to like, if you like that kind of thing?" hahaha
@klausfluegelschwanz6759: Ahum… CSNY ….. (…)
@svendeckers1964: Betty needs to work on her moves.
@arturx6965: I like these AI songs.
@FireF1y644 replies to @arturx6965: cool, but remember that a song like this already exists somewhere in the depths of internet's music catalogue, because this is how these AI work
@andykrikkit: Betty needs to work on her lipsyncing. 😉
@Wizartar: I think it says more about new music that its harder to tell which AI and which is just autotuned! :D
@baritonfelix: Replacing current chart songs by AI generated ones makes no appreciable difference (other than in who reaps the profits). But generally speaking, I'm happy to leave listening to robot generated "music" to robots who appreciate it - hope they are building them as we speak.
@straymusictracksfromdavoro6510: Is it just me or does anybody else get the impression that a lot of modern pop music, which has such an over produced sound and is so perfectly auto tuned and so "non - human" sounding anyway, with its almost robotic drumbeats, sounds like AI generated music already - you know kinda lacking in any sort of "warmth"?
@FireF1y644 replies to @straymusictracksfromdavoro6510: Yes, but you are confusing the order. AI music sounds as robotic BECAUSE it's recombining already existing pop music, not the other way around.
@straymusictracksfromdavoro6510 replies to @straymusictracksfromdavoro6510: @FireF1y644 Yes, I think I thought maybe that's what I was trying to say , that basically modern pop music is, to my ears at least, sounding very robotic. Really I'm having trouble telling the difference between it and the A1 generated stuff, rather than the reverse, but I certainly take your point and agree with you.
@FerdGerbeler: I mean, most music sounds like it was produced and performed by NPCs these days, and when ya listen to band members, you realize that analysis was correct.
@1974UTuber: I always knew Betty had it in her.
Now all she needs to do is learn some moves and get some sparkly outfits to reflect the flashy stage lighting
@trleith: I'm glad I'm old. Ann Hampton Callaway's Slow is more my speed.
@rabit818: Scary times.
@FireF1y644 replies to @rabit818: Yes if you are uneducated
@avasolaris1: I like Betty, she needs to work on her articulation though.
@djvoid1: AI trained on music that already exists makes music that sounds like the music that already exists...
@daniel_steinmann replies to @djvoid1: exactly like most composers of the last 200 years. Even classic music was composed to the taste of the noble listeners... or never published.
@FireF1y644 replies to @djvoid1: @daniel_steinmanntell me you don't know how to write good music without telling me that you don't know how to write good music
@djvoid1 replies to @djvoid1: @daniel_steinmann Yes... but when humans duplicate, they also change things. A.I has the duplicate part down, but the innovate would only seem to come from the 'errors' it makes. The unintended 'uncanny valley' music that couldn't have come from anywhere else but A.I not quite working as intended
@daniel_steinmann replies to @djvoid1: @djvoid1 I bet they already train AI to make "unintended" errors, just to sound closer to humans
@afobos1: Just some food for thought for all the comments that shot down the songs as inhuman and cold with no soul.... Would your opinions have changed if you didn't know this was A.I.? Just trying to play devil's advocate here.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @afobos1: Unfortunately it is very easily pegged as mechanical from the first couple of phrases. Take note that we were not told this was AI until well into the video.
@RockFromTheSingulariry replies to @afobos1: @Douglas_Blake_579 And in the title and thumbnail.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @afobos1: @RockFromTheSingulariry
Hmmm ... apparently not my most observant day 🙄
@smetljesm2276: It will get better.
It is now on the level of supermarket music or stuff that they sing on Eurovision
@FireF1y644 replies to @smetljesm2276: It won't, because it is limited by the input data that it is recombining
@EricB256 replies to @smetljesm2276: That means the Schlager crowd from out of Germany will embrace it.
@tucor: It all sounds very generic to me. A lot of what's popular these days might as well be AI (and much of it is manipulated to death in the studio anyway).
@ChiefExecutiveOrbiter: Aphex Twin just be laughing at everyone
@verdedoodleduck: Thanks for the video - great fun. On the subject of the video, from my perspective I really don't know...I am worried but not worried. It's the same with art, writing, etc. Everything is fine if you are willing to accept generic things with no backing purpose (artistic/human intent). The art is usually bungled in at least a few places, writing needs examination (fact checking!) and reworking if is it to be professional - surely music generation is lacking in any area that doesn't fall into a cliche (the songs you played could have been any generic song - nothing distinguishing from the genre). I do think most of the average jobs are going to be made redundant. I suspect the AI companies scraping works off the internet will suffer minimal repercussions. The AI's will have to start feeding themselves eventually (they already are to a degree) - that's going to be interesting - derivatives of derivaties.
To me, AGI (matches or surpasses human abilities) will be a bigger threat when it comes about (could be tomorrow, could be ten years...) but I think after the initial cool factor wears off there will be a demand again for human generated art, music, etc., just less of it, unfortunately. Maybe something like in the USA, companies like to stamp things Made in the USA. Maybe we will get UBI here for all the displaced people (ha!) :)
@vendelius: interesting...
@FireF1y644 replies to @vendelius: Only if you are 70 years old
@glennlove461: Wow I didn't realize Betty had such a great set of lungs...
@humanitech: It's kind of ironic that there are many humans who can also produce loads of generic cut and paste souless music too! 😂
@peters7949: The thing that stood out for me was that in all 3 the vocal is clearly audible & not buried in the mix like the vast majority of rock & pop recorded in the last 30 years.
@ChiefExecutiveOrbiter replies to @peters7949: Or Billie eyelash
@sneekylinux: Have been using AI for some music production for some time, it can be very generic and you have to put some effort into it to get any worthwhile stuff, but if you upload some of your own to get some suggestions this is where it works a lot better, but it is not for everybody and the problem is you need original music to get the algorhythm to work and it is still not great but hey
@FireF1y644 replies to @sneekylinux: You can't use it commercially.
@RockFromTheSingulariry: Udio and Suno are only a few months old. The fact that they're as good as they are this early is amazing. The criticisms aren't AI can't sing or play instruments like early AI art that was drawing people with sixteen fingers. It's already at the it has no soul like corporate pop level. That's about music from a guy who as far as we know has made three songs with Udio. I can't wait to see what it's like in another six months. Or even next month.
@FireF1y644 replies to @RockFromTheSingulariry: Suno is 2 years old, Udio is 6 months old plus who knows how long it has been in development (years)
@mcdk72: All digital data will get the ai scam virus. Why the physical media's before ai will be the only true music. Satanic gearbage reality.
@lowandodor1150: Not scared, what so ever. Embarrassed would describe it better.
But wait, you told me NOT to listen, sooo....
@arthurwatts1680: Your ass is grass when Rick Beato sees this but the real karma will kick in when Mary Spender gets triggered. ;)
FWIW, this is muzak - Otis Elevator would love it, but no sane consumer would buy it.
@RockFromTheSingulariry replies to @arthurwatts1680: Bring them on!
@arthurwatts1680 replies to @arthurwatts1680: @RockFromTheSingulariry parental advisory : things may get very nasty when Mary is woken from her Indie trance to be told that an AI will now be mimicking her entire Catalog ;)
@johnhawkinshawkins1284: I was in a dance club the other day and everyone was dancing to the wickedest beat and singing along...except me; I could tell it was Udio so I refused to dance, just like the "just stop oil' protestors. I told the DJ 'better play some live Baroque or I'm leaving"...Am I in a luddite/nerd forum? Let's call it 'Nerdludditeism'.
@RockFromTheSingulariry replies to @johnhawkinshawkins1284: "Ludditecore" is what all music produced prior to Suno and Udio shall be known as from now on.
@stevengagnon4777: Fortunately there are still many good bands playing live music. I doesn't matter that they are quote playing recycled riffs what matters is how they play together. That has always been the key many thousands of years....nothing new under the sun. That chemistry between the players...that i hear usually with just one song. I'm often right on that too. Example Smashing Pumpkins ( like the or not) : I was them on a Sunday night , all ten people watching including the sound guy and bartender . Half way through the first song I knew theye were on thier way to big things and I also knew they were going to evntully blow up too. Never had heard them before seeing them that Sunday night. Oh yeah they hadn't released an album yet....they were in town working on Gish with Butch Vig....I got to sit in on a live practice session within reaching distance to the band. I like to do that so I can hear them as they sound without being messed up from the PA system.
@mattlm64: It just regurgitates what it is trained on. There is no innovation or human spirit.
@FireF1y644 replies to @mattlm64: these people don't seem to understand how neural networks work, and that's unfortunate
@johnhawkinshawkins1284: I put a plug in a socket at home and get electricity; I have little interest whether it's a donkey in a wheel with a carrot or a nuclear reactor...As long as I hear my music, all is good.
@FireF1y644 replies to @johnhawkinshawkins1284: Yes and that's perhaps the only problem. Lack of awareness, education and consciousness in most people allows corporates to perform dirty schemes, such as selling unhealthy food or recombining already existing copyrighted songs.
@robertnicolay8327: Ouch, everything very generic, like just about everything since mid 1970s
@ricktotty2283: Rush could produce new material and AI could play the drum line. Emerson, lake, and Palmer could live forever. Wow!
@AudioMasterclass replies to @ricktotty2283: I suspect you have just predicted the future.
@humblestever24 replies to @ricktotty2283: @AudioMasterclass Nooooo !
@isaacnewtech: If you see music as a product, some industry that you want to enter in order to make money, then you might find AI interesting. If music for you is something to go on in the background to just lightly emphasize the mood and break the silence, then AI generated music might be interesting to you.
If you are a true music lover, and some pieces of music mean something for you and grow together with you, then you'll find AI generated music the most boring thing in the world and it'll never ever play a role for you. These examples you played for us can somewhat pass and are more or less credible, but are still so incredible far away from what I consider great music.
What does music mean to you? For me, music is complex communication. Communicating the wordless. A touch of magic in a world we pretend to fully comprehend. A deeply human expression, and being involved in is like a meditation and stimulates personal growth and empathy.
Where is the story in AI generated music? Where are the emotions of the artist? How can it perform live? How can it connect to an audience? How can it ever offer context, or represent something? How will AI music ever voice a generation? how can AI music be rooted in society? How can it unite people? how can it ever open up a world, like the music I love does that was carefully crafted by the masters?
Commercial will remain commercial.
Music wil remain music
@nabman_: Given the amount of compression, I say AI is so far as dumb as humans. 😂
@Douglas_Blake_579: A question for David ... If you ran those same prompts 10 times, how many different songs would you get?
@FireF1y644 replies to @Douglas_Blake_579: Infinite amount.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @Douglas_Blake_579: @FireF1y644
From 10 tries?
@FireF1y644 replies to @Douglas_Blake_579: @Douglas_Blake_579 from 1 if you want, you can make it generate a hundred songs at the same time
@earthoid: Nothing in those songs had anything in them that whispered to my inner soul "Play me again", or even to play the whole song. Nothing.
@orlock20 replies to @earthoid: That's standard current Hot 100 material.
@avasolaris1 replies to @earthoid: Inner soul?
@rienpost: No feeling, no arcs, just hopping along over well trodden paths. So yeah, it'll suit the average Spotify background playlist. Muzak 2.0.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @rienpost: Every pop song since the millennium ....
"I will sing five words
Then I'll sing five more
If you like my song
Buy it at the store"
@memcdm replies to @rienpost: Scary really! Another of "top 40" sound "formula" to begin with ... so pretty easy for AI to minick. Maybe that's why I no longer listen to pop music today.
@isaacnewtech replies to @rienpost: @memcdm that is true. What was already a clearly defined and not very complex formula, is very easy for some pattern recognizing software to recreate.
@bradashlock replies to @rienpost: Go in and tell the AI to do an experimental jazz punk fusion piece and tell it what structure to follow. You’re acting like it can only do these formulaic songs. It can do whatever you tell it. Go try it - you will see what I mean!
@rienpost replies to @rienpost: @bradashlock I already did. I asked for an anarcho-punk track in the style of Crass. What I got was watered down American pop-punk. A kind of Green Day but worse. AI knows MOR very well. Ask for anything else and the limitations show immediately.
@Douglas_Blake_579: Obvously mechanical ... no humanity, no soul, no courage.... just the right notes in the right order.
@orlock20 replies to @Douglas_Blake_579: It would still works in a host of applications such as music for a movie or TV show.
@FireF1y644 replies to @Douglas_Blake_579: @orlock20No it wouldn't, because you can not control it at all, and film music needs to be responsive. Good film music also needs to be meaningful, which is basically impossible with the current implementation of AI. If we are talking about some low quality TV show, then maybe... but why? There are already a ton of music on stocks.
@orlock20 replies to @Douglas_Blake_579: @FireF1y644 Royalties. Every DVD requires any music royalties. That's why shows on DVDs have replacement music.
@ericdere: I suspect Betty is miming the whole thing.
@EricIolo: Questions have been asked many years back about AI and music. Rick Astley being one example.
@artysanmobile: What constitutes “AI music?” Honest question.
The reason I ask is that processes have been heading that way for many years, “perfecting” time and pitch etc. I note that the Dua Lipa example pretty much indistinguishable from the real thing as her producers go pretty heavy on the corrections. So, I’m curious about the exact method of what you describe ‘AI music.’
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @artysanmobile: The overly processed fecal smearing we call music today still has a human being behind it someplace ... AI will take that away from us too.
@isaacnewtech replies to @artysanmobile: This is a good point, that I have also tried to make before. There is nothing human or emotional about a Dua Lipa song. All rhythms are quantized, all vocals are tuned. The arrangement is standard, the harmonies are standard. Everything is compressed and saturated to the point where you can't have any detail or depth anymore. It was determined beforehand that her next song has to sound like the next Dua Lipa song. A team of a producer, mix engineer and mastering engineer spit out a new track that completely follows all the rules and expectations that go together with a Dua Lipa song. The whole purpose of it all is to be safe and make money. Just a new variation with the same old blocks. OF COURSE AI can do that. AI is not intelligent, it is all about pattern recognition. Dua Lipa music follows very clear patterns and didn't need to sound human in the first place. It is a formula. Easy for pattern recognizing software to recreate. This all says something about the hit music of our time, not about how much of a threat AI is to musicians.
@artysanmobile replies to @artysanmobile: @isaacnewtech You’ve got my vote. 👏🏽 And, there are many, many who are a lot worse than Dua Lipa. I feel for her, buying the whole biz bs. She actually can sing. Her music is dead, and that’s what I hear with every example offered in this video for our consideration. Just, nobody home. Dead music.
@stephanherschel5785: Ok, so radio stations don't need to pay for music anymore - just playing ai generated stuff will suffice for most of them. The music lover in search for new and elevating stuff stays untouched.
@FireF1y644 replies to @stephanherschel5785: AI generated music can't be used commercially because it recombines already existing copyrighted songs
@BossLevelAudio24: We're all cylons. We've been all along.
@jondu-sud274 replies to @BossLevelAudio24: @BossLevelAudio24 That will explain my shiney head then
@BossLevelAudio24 replies to @BossLevelAudio24: @jondu-sud274 always wondered why I did whatever I was told and said "by your command".
@imqqmi: I don't hear the difference between modern pop music and the AI generated noise. What strikes me is that the noise floor is very high in AI generated music where the vocals now and then are unclear too. Puts a lot of those musicians out of business hopefully. Musicians steel from each other all the time as well so there's hardly any difference between AI trained on existing music and current day musicians. It just takes less man hours and more energy from the grid.
@chrissmith7069: Fake garbage!!
@Jamie1780: Suno better
@AncientEgyptArchitecture: The only track that I found interesting was the first; rather than the Eagles, it found it more reminiscent of a sort of updated Crosby, Stills and Nash sound...I liked it! Or at least, a short sample of it...
@MrAndrzejWu: Hello, my name is not Johnny Cash :) "I'm a barbie girl...." Yes it is scary, sometimes entertaining XD
@russmanuel5765: Great , now (and even more in the future) we will be inundated by NOISE that’s not music . Looks like I’ll be attending more live venues and taking better care of my record , tape and cd collections
@AndersHansgaard replies to @russmanuel5765: Ehm. Did you entirely miss that real live humans have been producing equally vapid pressure variations for decades and decades? Really, it's just about all that available on most radio stations around these parts.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @russmanuel5765: Well ... there is a reason why my pop music collection ends in 1999.
@russmanuel5765 replies to @russmanuel5765: Look harder, there are lots of serious ( about music ) musicians out there . Try stepping away from “most radio stations” and get to know a few
@jeanmichel2642 replies to @russmanuel5765: like said in other comments I'm old enough to think that in a large part of the current music production humans are already doing noise very efficiently. they don't need AI to do it properly.
@AndersHansgaard replies to @russmanuel5765: @russmanuel5765 Are you telling me to look harder? Classic internet right there!
My first comment said nothing about what one might find outside the myriad most dreadful sources of popular music, or indeed that I spend much time listening to those sources. My comment really wouldn't make much sense if that was the case, would it? Oh boy!
Maybe look at bit harder at your own initial comment, and try to grasp the meaning of my reply. But I do, of course, look forward to another knee-jerk reply...
@schubertuk: None of the tracks did anything for me - but to be fair - the bands you quote as being the influence rarely did anything for me either. But if they did, would I be worried? Not necessarily. I am not anti-AI, and I am comfortable to be challenged about what value I bring to society (which essentially is what AI challenges). Bring on the challenge - let's see whether we are worthy to survive - without acting like cowards.
@BENJRED: SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
@FireF1y644 replies to @BENJRED: Your ears are not so good
@CarlVanDoren61: One Word: Opeth ❤😊❤
@orlock20 replies to @CarlVanDoren61: Somebody tried to AI Beth Hart's voice and it doesn't even sound human. The real Beth Hart has too many variations in her singing for the AI to pick out a consistent sound.
@victoriaq5157: Next year someone will be watching this video, "Ahhh, a viddy actually made by a human, how quaint!"
@jondu-sud274 replies to @victoriaq5157: @victoriaq5157..... so analog
@middleearthltd: First one sounded like CSN&Y as opposed to the Eagles
Pop music is so processed, tuned and corrected I could just as well listen to the AI if that was my cup of tea
@victoriaq5157: This entire Ytube video was generated by AI. Your job is next!
@wlrIII: Funny to think that once we have real AGI, that will most likely be the final human invention. Music is probably no exception.
@FerdGerbeler replies to @wlrIII: Doesn't have to be, If man remembers it's soul, remembers clubs and torches and the rage that made us as great as we are, we can be free again, if we bring the cleansing flame of righteous rage to all this darkness.
@FireF1y644 replies to @wlrIII: Yes go and make real AGI, it's so easy and definitely not a corporate science fiction story for investors
@jondu-sud274: They are miles better than me 🎉......but I have not sold out ( or indeed sold anything due to artistic credibility)... unlike those sellout AI artists
@ac81017: Not a fan of AI music. I think i would prefer Audio Phil's Greatest hits instead of your new album.
@thexfile.: They all sound like products.
@jasonkloos6348 replies to @thexfile.: So does modern music.
@stevengagnon4777 replies to @thexfile.: @jasonkloos6348absolutely untrue there are still plenty of new bands out there that I would see live in a heart beat and I certainly wouldn't qualify them as products. What our biggest obstacles are is there aren't enough local venues available fir the young musicians ( there are plenty of very good ones) to gather and play on a weekly basis. That being said I was at one of those venues recently in a small town and the young poeple showed up and did some inspiring work both instrumental and vocal. I saw a twenty year old drummer and a fifteen year old guitarist that never played together before go on and do an amazing performance of a few Zeppelin songs with the weekly host filling in some vocals. I couldn't believe what I just saw. They just clicked almost instantly. All it took was some encouragement from the fifteen year olds father. That fifteen year old had done some Zeppelin songs earlier and was very good. The twenty year old played the drums along to Polyphia's Goat and was amazing....some much so I asked him who the band was that he was playing as I never heard that song before . They weren't playing over the instrumens as it was removed from the track. A very good example of community involvement. The key is that it was weekly and all ages.
@ronreeder4572: Dua Lipa is Disco…
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Shame on you for assuming I’m criticizing!
@florinmoldovanu: Culture will loose its relevance and its place will be replaced by synthetic world of noise which stimulate the senses and when that will be gone humanity will wake up from its dream.
@DD-ld1xq: 3:36 "I love you Homie...mmm. Hehe..I don't need her at all anymore"
@Three-Chord-Trick: As I keep saying - this is not intelligence. It's copying. It's plagiarism.
@jasonkloos6348 replies to @Three-Chord-Trick: Then literally all music inspired by anyone other than what's in your own head is plagiarism. And nobody has came up with something not inspired by someone else since the first person to make music. So....
Seriously, how is this any different than any musician inspired by anyone else. It works the same way. It hears music then makes it's own.
@hellomeatrobots replies to @Three-Chord-Trick: There's less plagiarism in AI music than Led Zeppelin's discography.
@isaacnewtech replies to @Three-Chord-Trick: @jasonkloos6348 If you don't see how AI is absolutely different from being inspired by a great band and incorporating elements of them in your own musicianship, then I have one very satisfying conclusion for you: you are not a musician and you'll never be one
@isaacnewtech replies to @Three-Chord-Trick: You are right. AI has nothing to do with intelligence. It is just advanced pattern recognition. It can generate blocks based on previous examples.
@mattlm64 replies to @Three-Chord-Trick: @jasonkloos6348 No, talented musicians are inspired by what they have heard but are able to innovate new forms of music and bring out genuine human emotion.
@michal7x7: Some day we may realize the host is also an AI creation.
@jondu-sud274 replies to @michal7x7: And also some of the audience Adrian Iseleworth ..
@jasonkloos6348 replies to @michal7x7: We might be AI creations and not even really exist.
@jondu-sud274 replies to @michal7x7: @jasonkloos6348 If I am an AI dream, then I want my money back
@jasonkloos6348 replies to @michal7x7: @jondu-sud274 it doesn't work that way. It's kinda like a forced thing. Sorry. Better luck next reboot.
@HansGeersing replies to @michal7x7: 😂
@PrivateAccountXSG: Great video. What does it say about the complexity or creativity of music-making, if early AI is accomplishing it very rapidly?
@isaacnewtech replies to @PrivateAccountXSG: None of this music was creative or complex in any way. These 3 tracks were hyper safe hyper predictable hamburger iterations of an existing thing style. The fact that AI can sound like credible radio music, says something about the incredible plainness and blandness of hit music that the industry has made you accustomed to. Not about how capable AI is. Hit music for the past 30 years has been made by teams of people who function precisely like an AI can: a new iteration of the same thing. Safe, and superficial. That's why people like you think AI is good at generating music.
@avasolaris1 replies to @PrivateAccountXSG: @isaacnewtech You are a shallow fellow. This is like criticizing a two-year-old for not running a sub-ten for the 100.
@isaacnewtech replies to @PrivateAccountXSG: @avasolaris1 in my opinion, that is not a correct metaphore. I believe you are making the argument that these AI are very young, and that they will grow into being able to generate great, complex touching music. I do not believe that. I don't think music AI will get any better than where we are. Because of the fundamental way AI works. It is pattern recognition, no one can deny that. More data isn't going to lead to better results because of diminishing returns. It is not sentient. Good music needs human commitment and personality, and emotion. That is my fundamental definition of music. AI can generate things that can superficially pass for pop music, because there is a massive amount of data, the style is simple and well defined, and generally people aren't used to really paying close attention to it.
Bro, what if I like jazz fusion, and progrock, and my thing is Steve Vai and Frank Zappa and Miles Davis fusion albums and going to live concerts? What's AI going to do for me? What if I like music of the beaten path that is genuine and experimental, and not made tob sell well, but made because a musician just HAD to make it?
Thinking that a generative algorithm can cover the vast and magical, social and personal framework that music is, that is what I call shallow
@RockFromTheSingulariry replies to @PrivateAccountXSG: @isaacnewtech Suno knows what "witch house" is. Do you seriously think "jazz fusion" or "progrock" is going to stump the AI band?
@isaacnewtech replies to @PrivateAccountXSG: @RockFromTheSingulariry yes. That is what I think. You don't have to agree with me. But I see absolutely no future in AI music besides background music for video's, catalog music, jingles... Commercial pop that exist for stream revenue... All that sort of stuff. I don't think people for whom music is an important aspect of their life, who listen closely and attribute emotional value to music, will ever be fooled by generated music. So imo it will not interfere with music lovers, or musicians who make music out of love for their craft. Music is more than the end result. Context is very important. For many people, the people who make that music, their proces, their growth, their choices, are the essential part of the music.