Do you suffer for your art?
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Saturday August 12, 2023
David Mellor
David Mellor is CEO and Course Director of Audio Masterclass. David has designed courses in audio education and training since 1986 and is the publisher and principal writer of Adventures In Audio.
@sparky60ful: I think that everyone suffers if they do physical wrok. When I do the equalisation of a Stellavox recorder I suffer and renewing the cambelt of my Lotus Elan I suffer even more! I see this work as art!😊
@duncan-rmi: the devil's kiss, wasn't it called? the marks from the violin, I mean...
@AudioMasterclass replies to @duncan-rmi: Poseidon may want to get into the action too. DM
@Antoon55: I didn't hear the foot, should I worry about my hearing?
@techmed-rainer: Danke!
@AudioMasterclass replies to @techmed-rainer: Thank you, much appreciated. DM
@techmed-rainer: Well, I can tell from own experience that men gain the same marks when playing violin.
Thank you for presenting one of my all-time favourite pieces of music 🎶 As you love Alban Berg's "Dem Andenken eines Engels - To the Memory of an Angel", maybe be you want to consider a record by Frank Peter Zimmermann with Berliner Philharmoniker conducted by Kirill Petrenko.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @techmed-rainer: As a man who has a violin, I can tell from your comment I'm not practising enough. DM
@mondoenterprises6710: Or, as Marshall Crenshaw titled his live album, I've Suffered For My Art. Now It's Your Turn.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @mondoenterprises6710: It's a good joke that can survive multiple repetitions. I've received a number of opinions where this originally came from. I don't think we'll ever truly know. DM
@Chiefelgin: so this is the hight of being an audiophile? almost thought you were going to nut right there and then.
To each their own tho, glad you enjoy it.
@Anybloke: I used to play in rock bands. We wrote our own songs, carried all our own gear, and made albums. I'm not has not exactly a strong man and humping speaker cabs and such has not exactly done wonders for my back. I get spasms occasionally. In some ways worse (but I wouldn't exactly call it "suffering") was the indifference of audiences.We were a well rehearsed, tight little band with good songs. We'd often get calls of "know any Oasis mate ?" or "do some Beatles will yer". Pearls before swine.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @Anybloke: I made a vow, some decades ago, to never carry a speaker again. Other than of near-field dimensions, so far I've kept it. DM
@tonyrapa-tonyrapa: Do you suffer for your art? Definitely not! Wonderful piece of music, by the way.
@nb-dm7gm: This made me feel anxious, I like death metal.
@donaldyoung9180: I thought the US government used Berg to torture prisoners at Guantanamo. Along with this guy's videos.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @donaldyoung9180: The police came round the other day and told me I'd need to register my videos with them as deadly weapons. DM
@ricktotty2283: To each their own. I rarely let anyone listen to my kit. If they ask I will but if they talk I will turn it off.
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @ricktotty2283: Wow... you must be fun at parties.
@mikkoluoto6575: In my ears, that sounds unbelievably difficult to play . And yes, Yes, music is physical: I remember the Porcupine Tree drummer Gavin Harrison having to fix his hands with duct tape during the gig.
@bitsbytesandnibbles: I didn't hear the stamp 😮 what ! my listening room mustn't be perfect 😢 oh wait I watched this one on my phone on the toilet 😅 still loving the un-scripted vids !!!
@rabb1tjones921: Not quite to my taste I'll admit. I couldn't hear the foot stamp either. I have been listening to some of this concert series in the car as it is being broadcast on the radio here in Alabama.
@karlos543: I'm a new comer to your channel..just realised that's not a real background..I'm old...
@AudioMasterclass replies to @karlos543: What YouTubers who have a green screen will rarely admit is that it saves tidying. DM
@manfredlankes9148: Not Back,Back but simply Berg.😂 Greetings from Germany.
The germans have done for the consonants what the hawaiians have done for the vowels-Leo Kottke,guitar legend from Minnesota.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @manfredlankes9148: Berg being Austrian I tried to imagine Arnold Schwarzeneggar saying his name. I have no skill with accents. DM
@scottwolf8633: 5 lbs of pressure in a strike, will break the clavicle.
@Gongtopia: Is your 'man cave' a green screen image?
I dare say that we percussionists 'suffer' for our art on a regular basis. Many a times I have looked down in the heat of battle, err, playing and seen spatters of blood on my instruments. The first thing is to figure out where the source of the blood is from. Which finger is usually the culprit, (It's too easy to hit your hand/finger on the edge of a drum or other stationary instrument and not really notice it until you see that tell tale pattern of blood droplets on your instruments). Then you asses the damage and decide what to do next. But often you just keep going, because there's really no time to check things out until the composition ends.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @Gongtopia: I had a guitar playing friend who strummed with his fingers. I thought 'I'll try that, I won't ever drop my plectrum'. So I did at my next gig. Blood was spattered. And yes, it's my green screen which saves me tidying. DM
@MartinMaynard: 'I have suffered for my art now it's your turn' Neil Innes.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @MartinMaynard: It's a good joke that many have stolen. DM
@wouterkolkman: Beautiful music, well played! I only heard the foot stamping when you played it for a second time - yes, I do play violin.
@timothyfreeseha4056: I guess I'd sacrifice the pressing need to appear attractive for my Art. Dressed head to foot and hope someone recognizes my talent.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @timothyfreeseha4056: It was a female friend of mine who prompted this as we were looking through the Wigmore Hall's season programme. All of the ladies were attractive, most of the men nondescript. DM
@frogandspanner: 0:15 NO : you went to see the concert, because hearing is only part of the experience.
@joelcarson4602: There is music that I listen to only every now and again when I am in a particular mood, because there are things about it that I find very interesting. But these are not my normal listening genres. For example, Queens of the Stone Age, after a bit I seem to get listening fatigue but their music has a lot of really interesting sonic touches. I'm rather fond of a great deal of progressive rock, but I don't listen to "Tales from Topographic Oceans" once a week, but I do listen to it.
@duncan-rmi replies to @joelcarson4602: oddly, qotsa are one of the few modern rock bands that have managed to retain some dynamics in their music; I suspect the fatiguing effect is something other than the digital processing or the loudness wars in their case. not sure. I also get tired of josh's voice after a few songs too.... 🤨
@alalder1533: You certainly have to suffer for you art if you need to sit through that row!
@gabrielgodwin9953: I suppose it depends on exactly what you mean by "suffer". I couldn't even count how many dreadful groups I've recorded with awful equipment and a singer(s) that couldn't carry a tune with a forklift. However, I get paid for that.
On the other hand, I might only make 0.00001 penny an hour for my own music... but I don't consider that a hardship.
As far as actual physical harm, I get a lot more doing instrument repair and working on cars.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @gabrielgodwin9953: You’re in the decimal point four zero club too. Congratulations. DM
@gabrielgodwin9953 replies to @gabrielgodwin9953: @@AudioMasterclass I heard it was the biggest club around, I just had to join.
@anahatamelodeon: I knew hardly anything about the Berg violin concerto until I got to play in a performance of it the 1970s, and it's been one of my favourite pieces ever since. It's amazing that a work using the 12 tone technique pioneered by Schoenberg can sound so haunting and atmoshperic (it's not all as chaotic as the excerpt featured here!) I didn't know it was on the Proms, will check out on BBC sounds when I have time to listen to it all. As for physical damage from playing instruments, I think every musician gets some of that, some worse than others.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @anahatamelodeon: 1970s.. the ink was hardly dry. DM
@shipsahoy1793: 👍I’m listening to Nigel Kennedy right now with
the London Philharmonic!😆
A mid ‘80’s recording from “West Germany.”
Okko Kamu conducting.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @shipsahoy1793: He’s the best. Or is it Janine Jansen? DM
@shipsahoy1793 replies to @shipsahoy1793: @@AudioMasterclass Lol, I can EASILY rattle off more than a dozen reasonably well-known violin players, that are indeed the best also, but I’ll spare you😉
@shipsahoy1793 replies to @shipsahoy1793: @@AudioMasterclass Seems like most of the time, Janine records popular composers that happen to be favorites of mine, so she’s OK in my book ! ..and she also plays viola !, but I guess what respectable violin player wouldn’t be able to play viola too, I mean I play a bit of violin, and viola myself, but I’m just a
hack lol (I’m not kidding about that last part😉).
@AudioMasterclass replies to @shipsahoy1793: @@shipsahoy1793 I have a violin, viola, and cello. Whether I can play any of them would be for others to decide. DM
@shipsahoy1793 replies to @shipsahoy1793: @@AudioMasterclass 👍Nice, Dave! Well, I don’t have cello (unfortunately, as I do love their sound), but with all the other instruments that are piled up around here, I was already out of room!🤣😉
I don’t want to enjoy just hearing music, I want to know and experience as much as I can about how it’s accomplished, from various perspectives.😉
@taidee: I can only laugh at this, it's commendable from everyone involved
@sammys_erLeben: just ... perfect!
@RagedContinuum: I suffer at my job
@tonyjedioftheforest1364: Sorry I didn’t like that clip of music, I like a nice tune I’m afraid but I do understand that some people like it. When I first heard Mike Oldfields Amarok I thought it was just a mess of random sounds but by persevering I found many pleasant tunes in it and now play it regularly.
@Mr-Foad: Drumming in extreme metal ... for me it can be a torturous slog at times. Very physically demanding, emotionally draining when progress is slow. Sometimes I wonder why I even do it 🤣
@AudioMasterclass replies to @Mr-Foad: I don’t mind a bit of metal as long as I can control the volume. If it’s good it doesn’t have to be loud. DM
@AT-wl9yq replies to @Mr-Foad: Its amazing how you can watch someone play the drums intensely and still not be able to figure out exactly what it is they're doing. The best is when they swivel their heels left and right when playing double bass. How that can increase speed is incredible. It obviously works, but who would even think of doing something like that? Its incredible.
@Matthew-by5bt: I suffer to, with the neighbours knocking the walls, especially when listening to dave brubeck and the quartets
@BostonMike68: She sounds like a very physical player. That sounded almost menacing
@AudioMasterclass replies to @BostonMike68: Yes. Her violin suffers for her art. DM
@thexfile.: AI will ease her suffering...🎻
@eddents: Thanks for sharing that information!
I say let her wear sneakers, blue jeans and a buttoned up shirt if that is what it takes to preserve her virtuoso ability for as long as possible. She can change out of her "work clothes" post performance into the impractical " formal wear" to sip champange with the patrons.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @eddents: It’s a sad fact that violin players retire early while pianists can go on and on. I could hypothesise why but if you like a performer, see them while you can. DM
@clicks59: Here is some “art” of a different form. I’d call it a mix of jazz and classical fusion. None the less, it’s a beautiful tune with stunning piano and soprano sax solos. It’s my understanding that it was recorded using a pair of stereo mics only. The tone of the double bass is gorgeous. Enjoy all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfzi19Dvma0
@dabanjo: I play banjo for a living, so not only do i have to suffer, everyone else within earshot does as well!
@theundertaker5963 replies to @dabanjo: I absolutely freaking love Banjo and it is arguably one of my all time favorite instruments. Its tunes always brighten up my day, and never ceases to put the silliest smile of joy on my face
@trottophone: I've tried to understand it, but I find almost all of Schoenberg/Webern/Berg's music unpleasant.
After a minute or two, I've had enough.
The exception is Berg's Violin Concerto.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @trottophone: I think many would make this exception given a listening opportunity. DM
@carlitomelon4610: Yes, but why make us suffer?
It would have been kind of you to edit out your mistakes, no?
@AudioMasterclass replies to @carlitomelon4610: No.
@carlitomelon4610 replies to @carlitomelon4610: @@AudioMasterclass 🤔🙄😫 Thanks
@CaptainJack2048: It is amazing what a person dedicated to a craft will go through to get what they want out of their instrument (or whatever other tools they employ). I'm very impressed with her obvious dedication and the effort she puts in to her music. Also, I'm not familiar with Alban Berg, I'll have to check that out. Thank you very much for sharing this. It's so easy for me to get stuck in a rut of listening to the music I know and not learning more about other genres.
@robh9079: Pianist Glenn Gould in one way had a perfect and flawless (if 'individual') technique, though suffered considerable back problems due to the 'medically' poor posture he employed. However, despite general pain and stress musicians abilities are comparatively little affected by old age - it is usually younger players with incorrect technique that are hit by physical issues. One of the significant 'sufferings' imo is the complete loss of childhood with the hours and hours a budding international soloist needs. Berg - it's a paradox how romantic in style some 12 tone music is. I found Wozzeck a bit hard going!
@AudioMasterclass replies to @robh9079: Few come out of Wozzeck whistling the tunes. DM
@iainbowman8979: Nice piece of music!
@Simbosan: it's other people who do!
@DJStanSteel: Not to sure what i find worse… That terrible soulless rubbish or the Rap music of todays artists.. CARDI B , Megan tha Stallion. It all sound like complete and utter noise pollution. I do hope you got your money back.
@marxman00 replies to @DJStanSteel: You just dont understand ! , its the notes that shes not playing that is the music!
@r-ratedstudios3847 replies to @DJStanSteel: a dj pressing buttons not liking rap huh, interesting
@DJStanSteel replies to @DJStanSteel: @@r-ratedstudios3847 you need to read and understand… TODAYS RAP! I made that quite clear unless your glasses are fogged up.
@DJStanSteel replies to @DJStanSteel: @@marxman00 thank god for that… I just wish then that she would keep NOT playing those particular notes… then I would enjoy it 100%.
@r-ratedstudios3847 replies to @DJStanSteel: @@DJStanSteel im into heavymetal bruv what r u talking about
@AmazonasBiotop: Yes, it is not only marks here and there.
Violinist have generally hearing damage in that side there they are trying to shove in the violin.😂
(Just imagine the dB there is coming from the violin at a inch from it when we enjoy it unamplified many many meters away from it..)
A good audiologist can with hearing test results can determine what or where the symphonic performer is playing for instrument or where they are placed in the orchestra.😮
It is a pity that they don't take more care of themselves.😢
@John.Christopher replies to @AmazonasBiotop: Yeah like hearing plugs by etymotic or something
@marxman00: Well...Viledins are just badly designed instruments