Audiophiles - Don't listen to indie music!
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Thursday January 4, 2024
David Mellor
David Mellor is CEO and Course Director of Audio Masterclass. David has designed courses in audio education and training since 1986 and is the publisher and principal writer of Adventures In Audio.
@VintageGearMan: Amen on using dithering and when not to.
@VintageGearMan: It is no surprise but,,, the microphone you are using to make these commentaries outstandingly fits you voice perfectly. You sound amazing on my semi vintage Paridigm Mini Montors I just bought recently. Made in 2002. I like them so much luckily, I found and ordered a second pair. They are heaven to listen to given the size room I am running them in. In the same way you would not put an over sized TV in a given spaced room. Common sense no doubt. This channel is awesome!
@AudioMasterclass replies to @VintageGearMan: Thank you for your comment. I can't remember whether I used my Sennheiser MKH 416 or AKG C414EB. I prefer the 414 but the diaphragm needs a clean so I can only use it when it's in a good mood. My diaphragm cleaning video is in the works.
@VintageGearMan replies to @VintageGearMan: @@AudioMasterclass Cool on future AKG cleaning vid. The AKG 414 has always been a great microphone for sure. Hard to beat it when it is happy.
@davidmorgen4558: Theres some Excellient music that falls under the title indie 16 & 20 bit in some cases Excellient, as well as other attributes. that could border on being progresive..l. A dirty word to some, One Past Indieand i really like is Fans Fable! ...Im not a music snob just a Lover of it... some of my faves are King Crimson,Gentle Giant and Richard Thompson 24 bit im not trying to sound like a hippie hipster.,just being honest .oh lets not forget Robert Wyatt old rock bottom himself! i
@fredashay: Indie music is some of the best music made today!
Or...
If you think there's no good music being made these days, you're not listening to indie music!
Plus, a lot of indie musicians don't over process their music during mastering to make it sound "like that!"
@AudioMasterclass replies to @fredashay: I'm not sure you have quite understood the point of the video. The point is that audiophiles prefer high sample rates and deep bit depths but CD Baby, one of the most popular distributors for indies, only allows 44.1/16.
@fredashay replies to @fredashay: @@AudioMasterclass Oh, thanks for the clarification. That's a shame. At least I have an Audacity plugin to remove the clipping that some of these idiots insert during mastering.
@multicyclist: Actually 16/44.1 cannot be cleanly converted to or from 24/48, 24/96, 24.320 and so on without quantization errors since the sample rate is not a multiple of these. Every time it is resample it generates more quantization errors that keep accumilating. You can convert 16/44.1 properly to 24/88.2 back and for ad infinitum with any issues because they are even multiples of each other. That sample rate is there for a reason, but no one seems to ever use it. You would think there would be additional sample rates like 24/96.4 and so on to accommodate 16/44.1. But nope.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @multicyclist: This is why we also worry about film/TV frame rates.
@krisandersson7156: Audiophiles use music to listen to their equipment. God i hate the word Audioplile and anyone who says they are one.
@packman03: “Who knows how much on acoustic treatment? Usually nothing”. LMFAO 😂
5 STARS
@AudioMasterclass replies to @packman03: Don’t worry. I plan a video on why nothing is the right amount.
@packman03 replies to @packman03: @@AudioMasterclassactually I put this comment on the wrong video, but maybe you recall the one where you made this comment in the context of how much people spend on equipment. I thought it was hilarious
@rodvenning6702: "To download the music you’ve purchased, click “DOWNLOAD” beside the item below.
Downloads are available as MP3-320 files." THAT IS CD QUALITY HASN"T BEEN AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMERS FOR YEARS SO UPLOADS ONLY NEED TO BE 320kB.
@gdwlaw5549: Yes they do! I do …really …..
@Arfonfree: Back in the 1960s I considered myself an audiophile because I built my own stereo system that was arguably better than anything available commercially. But the world has passed me by, and I am no longer an audiophile, merely someone who enjoys listening to good music.
@meow-wv9yc: i listen to Norwegian black metal bands that live 100 miles from the nearest electronics store
@EricB256: Th Phil skit at the end was priceless.
CD Baby was great when they still sold CDs at their online store. When they had their warehouse closure sale, I bought a lot of albums because I believed it would not be easy to find them later. But I confess I still haven't listened to all of them.
@NsD3001: Good arrangement is everything, lets talk about everything but arrangement. same old same old.
@Smog104: I love listening to Indie through my Bang and Olufsen classic music systems in two different rooms . So unaudiophile , sounds great and I love it !!
@casperghst42: I'd say that any music you like goes, high fidelity is the reproduction of the source music - isn't it?
@mendymata3491: Truth
@joelcarson4602: I'd say that the main advantage of 24 bit 96 Khz is that it gives the person operating the DAW more bits to twiddle. While I'm certain there are instances where using an 8bit 22khz reverb plugin is called for, it's not the usual selection out of the VST folder.
@adamyelle4901: Maybe I am missing it if it's there already, but one wish I have is that digital music would carry some sort of certification that would list what bit rate and sample rate it was recorded and mastered in and what it is then being played back at. Similar to Mo-Fi's one step (controversial I know) but hopefully that example will convery the the message I am trying to get through here. Personally that is why I have not latched onto "hi-res" music yet because there doesn't seem to be any indication of whether it has simply been umsampled and forced into that format, or if it was truly recored in that same higher format you are trying to listen to it at.
@Fr4nkju5tFr4nk: Great video!
I purchase most of my music from small bands (Indie according to your definition, but very different genres, I love music not styles) from Bandcamp. Vinyl and Download. Bandcamp offers FLAC, ALAC and other more or less "losless" formats. They urge their musicians to use/upload 24bit resolution (but will accept less) and even the most bought interfaces (the whole Focusrite Scarlet entry level stuff) suppports 24 Bit / 192 kHz.
And well, streaming is always more or less not that enjoyable for me. Yes, when I am in the car or on the bus, I use streaming sometimes. But it is not comparable to listening to records or losless files at home.
And I also think that especially lo-fi Indie sound that will make some peoples teeth grind to dust can also be enjoyable. Comparable to the use of old synthesizers. Some old analogue synths are unreliable pieces of *** (especially the Italians like Crumar or SIEL etc), their sound is raw and not hifi but they have "organic" heart and make me smile. The whole old digital versus analogue "battle" which is more or less senseless in the end ;)... Or even choosing a poor medium. Some small Black Metal band with awesome songs can sound better on tape than in a digital losless format ;).
Excuse my bad english, not my native tongue. Cheers from Germany, Frank
@tnargs57: 24 doesn't sound any better than 16...take that!
@tomstickland: CD quality should be as good as is ever needed.
@bowlingactually: Come on man, stop promoting the major labels! I don't use CDBABY, but our distro allows us to upload pretty much anything, including 32bit/96K. Dither isn't something "special" all DAWs and mastering packages handle dithering correctly automatically or give you the choice of how to dither. I would argue that a few inde releases are better than major productions simply because they have the time to do it right. There are inde producers and engineers that are as good as any in the world, and many times they have unlimited time to work on a release because the record company and/or marketing company isn't pressing them to get it done. Yes, there are many inde and artist done works that are total crap. The vast majority of them are. But to blanket say that "all inde releases are crap" is well..... crap..
@CatOnVenus183: I realized I wasn't an audiophile when I started falling in love with really roughly recorded indie music. Specifically the albums My Back Is Killing Me Baby and Twin Fantasy Mirror to Mirror both by Car Seat Headrest.
I then started falling in love with cassettes and caring far more about the lyrics and songwriting and the emotions it made me feel instead of stressing out about sound quality and couldn't be happier.
My setup is high quality enough to make really shave off the harshness of these bedroom recordings and make them sound even more unique and intesting than I already thought the style was. I love music so much :)
@AudioMasterclass replies to @CatOnVenus183: I can get this. You seem to be a reverse audiophile - perhaps there should be a word for that.
@thomaslutro5560 replies to @CatOnVenus183: I even have a few handheld-mic-in-the-audience-bootlegs. I can't really hear how my expensive stereo makes them any worse. The only thing that could improve them is probably best left to a pro, or at least kept at simple eq. I love songwriting, but also musicianship, instrument makers even, all the different arts and crafts involved in music, each of them individually of together.
@the_sheet: 1) yesterday on YouTube, I came across a beloved song of mine from A Christmas Carol, the best version with Alastair Sim (1951). It's called Bonny Barbara Allan, an olde English folk song. Listening to this drove me to sentimental tears about growing up watching the movie, about life, and my various family members who are no longer around.
It wasn't a very good recording but it meant more to me than listening to Daft Punk on a painful system at the Toronto Audiophile show. Even the speaker cables were painful and I could tell lol.
2) Is Phil AI?
@shitmandood: 😆 love hearing from Phil Audiophile…
@So-rp6en: I always enjoy these. Thanks.
@keithneal5369: Which would you prefer? Crap music recorded well or good music , or should I say types of music you enjoy ,recorded and transmitted in any format that is poorly done and in a mediocre bit rate. Personally I prefer good music in any format played on a decent hi fi system. To me vinyl still wins.
@wrestletube1: I'm not sure about that as an Audiophile can detect imperfections within music on a normal consumer kit and don't have to have to even spend to own own audiophile gear to hear them whilst ordinary ears do need it to hear what an Audiophile can on normal equipment.
Well that is what I consider the entire term and understanding of the word audiophile to be anyway a person with actual audiophile hearing not equipment related as they don't need it whilst a regular bod does to hear what they do and I consider audio engineers actually under the banner as it's their job to be audiophiles and detect what's wrong and try get the volume and EQ imperfections in mastering as better as they can for the style of music to sound right on all hardware.
As for the imperfections within Indie label music they could try stuff like The Cathodes with their 3D 80s style synth effects that would please their quest for Indie music with pleasing to the ears content it's not all harsh distorted guitars and mics in Indie world thats a misconception there are electronic Indies which try do give a pleasurable experience to listeners on the showstring indie budget and there is a lot of Country in Indie.
Whenever I record though I gotta admit I record the master file in only 32-Bit Wave religiously not even 24-Bit the one you swear by but 32 the latest Signed Uncompressed format on the block there is 64-Bit Float around now as well but it isn't a signed PCM format yet one above the one the mastering guys love so much and most of the music I record on that is compressed 128-192k radio shows like Heritage Chart but I still record it that because I want 1-1 sound quality to the original airing and best quality. I guess I'm a audiophile as far as getting a 1-1 uncompressed recording to the original of what I listened to for my Dad to hear after as that is mastering especially when it airs distorted and I say right I'm going to volume it to -23 LUFS between -12 lowest peak -6 db highest after the 1-1 recording thats mastering ears. 😁
@kaushikchatterjee9137: Any audiophile listener here...who like gramophone sound??
@loathecliff9364: Audio Phil is a total joy.
I bet his dad was an all-Linn victim
@stevengagnon4777: Does Audio Phil's system simulate the hiss from analog tape mastering into 4 track cassette? That might be the ultimate solution.
@AudioMasterclass replies to @stevengagnon4777: I suspect Phil might have a comment on that. He seems to have a comment on just about everything else.
@stevengagnon4777 replies to @stevengagnon4777: @@AudioMasterclass I'll be looking for it then. My "highly resolving system" has bypassed every one of Phill's recommendations. But then again I didn't spend much money on it. Thrift stores and trash picks. Like a Phenix out of the ashes of my former life. Thanks again I do enjoy your work.
@markvandenberg4606: Does anybody actually listen to and appreciate the art, or nah?
@paulkerr9128: Love Audio Phil.
@peterakos5265: Audio Phil is the best! Yeah! Tell them Phill! :D
@Another_Audiophile: I am an audiophile myself and the recording, mixing and mastering is waaaay more important than the file’s bit rate and I loooove many indie artists
@GadZookz: Funny guy! 😀
@schemkesa: Lol I never knew that Indie music was independed recordings... 😂 and let me guess, you dont like audiophiles, you think they're full of BS... 😂😂😂 Couldn't agree with you more 😅
@fernandofonseca3354: Audiophiles! Don't listen to lo-fi music ever!!! 😁
@Synthematix: Audiophiles don't listen to any music, only their equipment.
@earthoid: Do you really think a human can hear whether the least significant bit of a 16 bit sample is dithering or not? I highly doubt it, unless you have the futuristic capabilities of Audio Phil's system.
@soundssimple1: Your logic is sound. Why buy a Ferrari just to go to the shops. However I would like to say that high level audiophile sound systems are wasted on many styles of music no matter the excellence in sonic detail of the recording and playback ? chart, pop, country, easy listening ! I would suggest that a far less superior system such as mine provides a different type of pleasure by listening to 'indie' bands, rock and EDM, and getting the pleasure from the poetry, the lyrics, the performance and emotion generated albeit at a very sub audiophile level. I would always choose to be entertained with a well crafted and brilliant indie song than some piece of cr4p at audiophile level just because you can ? MUSIC is in the ear of the beholder. Very thoughtful video as always. If you don't get people shouting at their laptop there's no point, well done.
@tomehCanada: Too funny. You made my day. Thanks. Tom eh
@imqqmi: When recording at 24bits all you get is higher definition noise floor. If you don't have your levels set correctly, all you do is add more noise, so thinking it of having extra headroom is wrong, yes you reduce quantization errors but the noise floor remains present so signal to noise wise it's still better to set levels correctly.
Using 32 bits (floating point) is actually worse since you introduce rounding errors to the mix (pun intended). 32 bit floating point uses 8 bits for the exponent part (of which most is unused because most software convert the values to between -1 to +1 values) so e-1 = 10^-1, 1 bit for sign (negative or positive) and 23 bits for the actual value. Mapping integer values to floats will give rounding errors already, let alone mixing and applying effects. You can do a lot before it enters the audible range though but it's not lossless.
@angelfire2023: Dry british sarcasm is one of my favorite forms of humor. One of the major reasons I tune in to this channel. Keep up the good work. :)
@MostlyBuicks: The better the system the worse bad recordings sound. And less face it MOST recordings are not very good.
@MostlyBuicks: I find a lot of Indie music actually sounds more natural, less compressed, and "in your living room" sounding than the big labels with their pitch correction, excessive reverb, Pro-Tool lock step rhythm and all the other gimmicks that can be added to a performance.
@adotopp1865 replies to @MostlyBuicks: Yes I find this too- sometimes.
: Dither isn't really needed in 24 bit recording because it's already happening naturally due to analog noise in the recording hardware. Analog preamps with 144 dB of dynamic range do not exist, short of cryogenically cooled amplifiers that are used to receive signals from very distant satellites, so the least significant bits of the ADC are being continually triggered by that analog noise.
The best currently available ADCs achieve somewhere between 21 and 22 bits of dynamic range. That number is not likely to improve significantly, as it is already hitting the point of thermal noise created by normal and unavoidable circuit components such as resistors and semiconductors.
@who_cares848: I put $3000 into a system that i use to listen to cassettes....
@BillyTheKidsGhost: It's not like indie musicians forget about the ''original sound of the master''... 4 days after the upload.😄
@oktavision5094: When this clickbait arrogant video titling someday ends , maybe we will live in a better world
@greenygreen5308: I’m such an Audiophile I ONLY listen to the 8 least significant bits, anyone can listen to the most significant bits after all!!
@AudioMasterclass replies to @greenygreen5308: You and Audio Phil would get on like a house on fire.
@joelcarson4602 replies to @greenygreen5308: The Insignificant Bits are my favorite Indy Band. 😊
@j.p.7708: The only real audiophile’’SOUND” occurs when your in the band playing the music. 🤷♂️
@paulstubbs7678: My source of 'indie' music, is what I record at church (24bit) it certainly sounds a lot more 'live' than your average commercial CD
@simonzinc-trumpetharris852 replies to @paulstubbs7678: Probably because it IS live, nothing to do with bit rate.
@danniielle: I'm an independent musician and sound engineer with four decades experience. I have a particular passion for high quality audio and DO NOT play the loudness wars game that plagues so many so-called professional releases on major labels. Many of those releases are hyper-compressed, brick wall limited to death and even deliberately clipped. Those steaming turd mixes are lucky to make use of the four most significant bits and are so fatiguing to listen to that I simply don't bother.
As an indie artist and a professional engineer (recording, mixing and mastering), I'm not restricted by the insanity of the bean counters who so often push this loudness junk upon their artists and engineers.
I have no qualms letting others compare my mixes to any major record label releases from any recording studio anywhere on the planet.
Have a listen to my Pulse Eternal album, Introspection. It is full of dynamics and detail and I mastered it at a sensible -14LUFS which is what most of the major streaming services now normalise to.
You'll find this album and some of my others on PulseEternal.com
@ac81017: Why is there so much hate towards Audiophiles?
@Anybloke: I only really follow and listen to one small rock band. They're from SE England. Their recordings are crap but the songs are great so I'm not terribly bothered about their use of low budget studios.
@jerrys.: 24/96 as good as it gets? I understood DSD was invented by Sony for ultimate quality music archival purposes. The Physical disc version for consumer retail being SACD which was never really promoted with any enthusiasm by Sony themselves. Good luck finding ay Indie SACDs though.
@SianaGearz replies to @jerrys.: DSD is not suitable for archival and indeed enshrines as a distribution format the design of one particular 1-bit delta sigma DAC with 64x oversampling on top of CD sample rate, which is the same spec used in a basic Discman, so it's basically instantly obsolete technology as far as HiFi from the very moment of conception. It is explicitly designed to stall any possible technical progress in processing and reproducing audio, since in order to perform any manipulation be it EQ or for example a speaker crossover, DSD must first be converted into analogue or at least DAC simulation be performed on it in digital domain. It's a horrendous format.
The effective dynamic range is also not good starting with upper midrange about presence region, losing out to even CD Audio.
Any archival format MUST be PCM or equivalent.
Of course there are excellent releases as SACD that may actually be better mastered than their CD counterparts, even those released layered on the same disc, and can sound better. But then it's not because the format is good but because the CD release has been deliberately sabotaged in quality. Remember SONY is the only company capable of pressing these SACD discs, but they have an agenda.
@geoff37s38: Many audiophiles conflate sample rate/bit depth used in the recording process with samples/bits used in the distribution format. A higher dynamic range on playback that exceeds 96dB (16 Bits) is highly undesirable as low level sound will be inaudible under ambient room noise or loud peaks would be screamingly loud.
@matldn2697: I have stopped going to audiophile shows becasue they are only interested in thieir "old mans music". Some manufacturers play what the majority want but sadly are in the majority.
@latheofheaven1017: Love AudioPhil's solutions to the indie music problem!
@user-xg6zz8qs3q: I am laughing at this comment section. Because everyone is missing the point. It would take truckloads of money to achieve a perfect room and a perfect HiFi system to notice the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit. The problem exposed in the video affects nobody (with extremely rare exceptions).
@Dr_Girthly_Baggington: I paid almost £635,000 for my HiFi. I'll have you know. That's six hundred and thirty-five thousand queens heads.
The banana clips, made from pure 32-bit, 100.05% oxygen-free, Zircon-encrusted Unobtanium carboxylate.
I doubt anyone here has ever seen... let alone heard, such delightful terminations and the astounding audible enhancement they bring.
Soundstage as wide as the Severn bridge, power, speed, command and clarity akin to a near-miss lightning strike.
I have seen my favourite group many times, partly funding two concerts as I have so much bloody money.
My preferred input is tape, although I do enjoy vinyl. Sadly Aqua released very little in that format.
After all these years, I still find my Goodmans dual tape deck to far outperform anything of today.
I returned the Chord Dave only last week due to its sheer inadequacy, not a patch on my Goodmans!
In a blind test, while listening to Barbiegirl, performed by Aqua in 37bit, completely lostest.CACK format, the Goodmans being obviously superior to the Chord.
Allowing the 37bit.CACK format to really shine. It's such a pleasure to listen to, rendering visitors speechless when they hear it.
To all the haters out there, you know who you are. Just because I lost the hearing in my right ear when I was a child does not mean I can not truly appreciate my £635,000 HiFi stereo system... ( that a peasant like you will never afford ). Needless to say, I have the bragging rights throughout the realm.
Yours.
Green Carpet
@ChrisWhittenMusic: The much bigger issue is mastering. Slammed masters with very little dynamics afflicts major label releases across the board. Indies are capable of choosing not to slam the final master, and I’m guessing some do, some don’t.
Whether your music is 16/44.1 or 24/96 it’s probably not going to sound as good as the original recording if it’s been through modern mastering.
In my studio I work only in 24/96, but my favourite audio format is hard copy CD, often pre-millennium released CDs.
@craigwillms61 replies to @ChrisWhittenMusic: Totally agree. When I send out my tracks to mastering, I ask them to keep the dynamics. That means often my finished product is not as loud as commercial tracks - that's ok by me.
@peterthompson9854 replies to @ChrisWhittenMusic: @@craigwillms61 My amplifier has a volume knob. It makes things louder or quieter on demand. So if your music is recorded less loud, I can use this device to solve that.
@craigwillms61 replies to @ChrisWhittenMusic: @@peterthompson9854 kinda missing the point - but whatever...
@peterthompson9854 replies to @ChrisWhittenMusic: . @@craigwillms61 I’m saying keep the dynamics
@paulpiacentini: It's mostly snobbery. Which I think is your point. My mate had a sondek and a whole lot of Linn stuff. His speaker cables even had little arrows. It was silly me who pointed out that the lack of bass was due to wrong +/- on one side. He was going to buy new speakers. Fool.
@huubvandoremalen: You really must be joking in this video. What is the point about enhancing the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit when the recording is made in a bedroom? The noise captured when recording is much louder than -96 dB. The unwanted room acoustics are much louder. The used imperfect recording technology destroys the sound much more then the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit. But that is hard to understand for audiophiles. They don't know anything about recording. They can only understand numbers and what they believe what they are hearing, not wgat they are actually listening to.
@itsmoejoe: Bahsted.
@rodvenning6702: Around 2017 I stopped downloading from CD Baby when they downgraded the albums from CD quality to MP3-320 while still charging the same price of course.😠
@Russell.S: clickbait with no substance, what is your point about indie music? None of the technical facts you presented are relevant. If I mix down and master my bedroom 4-track TAPE recording in the analog domain and capture directly to 16bit 44.1KHz, will it sound worse than capturing to 24bit 48KHz and downsampling, bit-reducing and dithering to 16/44? Will your audiophile ears hear the difference? I very much doubt it. Unless you’re just being cheeky, in which case please carry on.
@dirtyths: As an audiophile, i'd pity an audiophile who'd only listen to audiophile recordings. Not to mention that many recordings on major labels sound like shit.
@jimhines5145: I record everything using 32bit float. Then export to 24/96 flac files. I rarely need to dither as I generally never convert anything down to 16 bits. Sacrilegious! haha. Blows my mind that CDBaby only accepts Red Book CDDA (or gag! mp3s). That's crazy in this day and age.
@ckturvey: Unless Audio Phil's Psycho-acoustic algorithm also accounts for the full environmental data including the smells of the dirty closes, take way containers and energy drink cans, I still think the source is lacking for his highly resolving system. :P
@rabit818: I like audio gear that produces music. I have audio gear that produces music that fits my budget. I love just about every music. I love indie music too.
@jeremythornton433: Haaa! Great video! Loved the total irony that you ended with. I'm a musician and I've worked in many very fine studios. I also have my own home studio but I can;t afford the finest gear but it's pretty damned good. The thing is, a lot of high end audiophile systems cost more than the gear at great studios. So a "purist" is never really going to ever get the quality that they think they are getting. This makes me laugh. A studio may use $100,000 speakers but an audiophile may half half a million. Okay? More dollars than sense!
@peterthompson9854 replies to @jeremythornton433: I think it's a little short sighted to think that someone who has managed to amassed half a mill to spend on speakers is stupid. What you spent on your studio is not relevant. If the speakers produce a better sound that others costing less with what they are fed, then they are worth it to the buyer.
@grumpy9478: why are all non-audiophiles so anti-audiophile?
& why do they make such a big deal of defining the term?
@s_r_v replies to @grumpy9478: Envy, it's a toxic trait, because some people can't afford the equipment they really want they just say its rubbish...
The trick is be content with type equipment you can afford, move your speakers away from the wall a bit, buy the best sub you can afford and everything will be OK...
@techmed-rainer: Gorgeous, funny, and educational at the same time. Well done, thank you!
@hellomeatrobots: 16/44 can’t really do justice to the magnificence of an SM58 recording in a garage.
@Dr_Girthly_Baggington replies to @hellomeatrobots: mastered on a laptop using Thomas The Tank Engine headphones, wearing them Dj style over one ear in order to monitor deliveries in they're mother's rear entry.
@andymouse: Phil's had a bit to much Quark, Strangeness and Charm, he's lost it....cheers:)
@AudioMasterclass replies to @andymouse: If Phil ever does listen to Hawkwind he will never admit it.
@s_r_v replies to @andymouse: Their new release of Space Ritual sounds the best I've heard it though... Steve Taylor has done an amazing job on a new mix, be good to do a video on how a new mix off the original recordings can sound better...
@andymouse replies to @andymouse: Oh ok Thanks ! must give that a whirl @@s_r_v
@Douglas_Blake_579: System shcmistem ... good music is good music, no matter where you find it.
@vincentleeadams: I love your posts, clever and concise without a bit of sarcasm!
@wenz5854: there is a difference between a hifi enthusiast and an audiophile.
@adotopp1865 replies to @wenz5854: This is an interesting comment. I'm a hifi enthusiast and I listen to what I like, indy, wired mainstream or Avant- guard. But I also like it to sound good.
@cacophonic7: You audiophiles are missing out.
@paulphilippart7395: Its a shame the cork sniffing twits, miss out the real spirit and soul of actual music. They dither way too much on overpriced cables and stands etc.
There's the tape bias ,good friend NAB IEC, then the RIAA curve for vinyl ,etc etc all essential process in analogue, you could say its more digital than digital, bit of dither is minute compared to analogue process anyway stick that up your already sticky jaxy audio Phil..
@connorduke4619: Darko the renowned audiophile actually loves Indie records.
@bowlingactually replies to @connorduke4619: Yes, Inde music.. Music the way the ARTIST wanted you to hear it. Not music the way some record company person wanted you to hear it!
@andypyne: A music lover uses their audio equipment to listen to the music, whereas an audiophile uses the music to listen to their audio equipment
@slikyviky replies to @andypyne: 🎉🎉😂😂
@nate1sam replies to @andypyne: I am sure there are those who fit that profile. For me, I will listen to and appreciate music I wouldnt give a second thought to on the radio.
@IAdryan replies to @andypyne: Very well said.
@johnfisher3929 replies to @andypyne: This formulation is genius! Did you make it up yourself? I also like this one, off a cartoon in some long-forgotten hifi store: A midcentury guy in coat and tie (natch) is showing off his system to another guy and says, “I was first drawn to vinyl by the expense and the inconvenience.”
@david-spliso1928 replies to @andypyne: Is this the latest defence audiophiles use 😊
@zackreuter6344: Audio Phil is a treasure! Please be sure to keep him supplied with high quality (non-malingering) electrons.
@thexfile.: If you rip a CD to DSF it ends up the same size as a SACD rip. 🤔
@MaakBow: OH YES WE DO!!! some of us prefere it.
@richardrosenbaum6387: Please keep up with the technology. No one uses CDBaby. Companies like DistroKid have been around for a while and provide hirez distribution for indie musicians for years. I am also assuming that your whole video was quite a jab at the crazy fringe audiophile community. Who was that weird AI guy with the beard at the end? Creepy…
@the_dude182: Idea: Buy a cheap stereo setup for enjoying music, next to your expensive setup that you use for enjoying sound. That way you can pauze your quest to perfection, enjoy some music, and resume the quest at any time.
@adotopp1865 replies to @the_dude182: Sounds like a right farse
@shipsahoy1793: Click Bait Dave ?
Why is this a thing?
Do a video on the countless plethora of recordings that were popular as hell, but had/have less than stellar masters! If this was ever a thing, there would have been no survival of sources past, down to FM radio, the analog cassette, or 8-track “cartridge,” all the way up to and including open reel and vinyl sources. 😂
Have we gotten so greedy that the imperfections of life can’t be enjoyed as part of the experience? Well, we may as well blow up the world because there will never be perfection..😢
@maidsandmuses: If a few 'missing' bits of resolution puts you off listening to some of the most original and creative music around, then you may be an audiophile but you don't understand music.
(and yes, "you" doesn't mean you, David; my sarcasm filter is not malfunctioning 😁)
@lionheartroar3104: I am an audiophile, but the price of great equipment isn't what it was even 10 years ago. Most can afford great equipment but don't consider sound quality a priority.
@connorduke4619 replies to @lionheartroar3104: Steve Huff has claimed you can achieve world class hifi quality for $10,000 and I went ahead and proved him right.
@michaelmitchell8218: Where’s the young ladies? lol
@AudioMasterclass replies to @michaelmitchell8218: I think they’re working on their own material.
@michaelmitchell8218 replies to @michaelmitchell8218: @@AudioMasterclass lol, well we got to see that. Maybe they be taking you on at your own game on audio classes.
@1337wafflezz: I’d dare any 55+ year old audiophile with a $500,000 dollar setup to reliably tell the difference between CD quality and “true” lossless in a blind test lmao
@scottlowell493 replies to @1337wafflezz: I dare anyone...
@slikyviky replies to @1337wafflezz: Facts
@geoff37s38 replies to @1337wafflezz: No
@spacemissing replies to @1337wafflezz: Depends on the individual.
I would be hard pressed to discern that difference, but some would pick it up right away.
@1337wafflezz replies to @1337wafflezz: @@spacemissing Doubtful. Properly mastered 16 bit I'm pretty sure is audibly transparent to the human ear. For all intents and purposes, CD quality is "good enough". At least realistically. a million dollar system may be able to play the differences but no one will be able to actually perceive it.
@EgoShredder: Yep I was aware of the CDHD 20-bit encoded format, where your CD player has to support the format to benefit from the extra bits.
@leolee5435: Spot on... the most important factor affecting sound reproduction is the source...
@Douglas_Blake_579 replies to @leolee5435: Always has been ... I don't care crap how good a system is, it's never going to sound better than the source recordings.
@timharbert7145: It is far less expensive to just contract with the indie artist to play in your living room than pay for audiophile gear. That's how the artist really wants you to hear music - live performance. Media is just advertising. Very little money in it for the artist.
@peters7949 replies to @timharbert7145: Back in 1979 John Otway did that: 3 random copies of his (with Wild Willy Barrett) single “Frightened and Scared” had no vocal. If you were ‘lucky’ to buy one, he came and performed it in your living room. Although having seen them on stage a number of times, having him in your house might might be a strange definition of lucky. Fantastic act though.
@nebularain3338 replies to @timharbert7145: I disagree. As a musician myself It's always been about the studio recording for me. The crafting of a product, and getting it to sound exactly how you want it to be heard. If it was all about the performance then all albums would just be recorded live and released that way.
@user-xg6zz8qs3q replies to @timharbert7145: An Alvvays show at the Trabendo will cost you 30€. The energy and crowd enthusiasm will be intoxicating. The sound quality will be awful. The sound system and acoustics at the Trabendo couldn't be worse. Nobody cares.
@ac81017: I have a fully treated listening room. I stream with Qobuz and use CD's, moslty older cd's. My main goal as an audiophile despite the not so cheap gear, is to simply ENJOY the music. Once again i PMSL at Audio Phil, top draw entertainment .
@xvdifug: I am a TRUE Audiophile, I can derive as much pleasure from a Fisher-Price plastic record player playing an old scratched 45 as I can from my SONY TC-880-2 playing a top notch tape. It's the music that matters. Gear does not induce goosebumps, the emotion in the music does.
@antonio.x22 replies to @xvdifug: audiophilia, that's why I posted an image/graph, check it out if you.
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@rimmersbryggeri replies to @xvdifug: Yes "audiophilles" dont listen to Music they listen to their own hubris. I like to listen o some song through the speakers of a computer monitor thathhave a very limited dynamic range bu have the feeling of an old tranistor radio or suitcase grammophone which is how mots people would have heard those songs when they were current. It summons feelings of summer homes from the old days when the radio and a deck of cards was the only entertainment on a rainy day.
@antonio.x22 replies to @xvdifug: audiophilia is to listen audio and enjoy and love it and whatever ya know.
audiophle: someone doing that, could be everyone maybe.
in and for audiophilia there is a wide range of prices and a true thing: more price, better quality we know.
more price = better quality TILL THE BORDELINE when you don't notice difference between a system of $ 12 000 USD or $35 000 USD. . .
the mountain top about prices: when the marketing and brands live their business.
have the feeling of an old tranistor radio
I've modified some songs I like, with the software, and I apply the plugis to make it sound like old radio song with noise !! like a little boombox A.M. radio
of course, some playlist I've fixed songs for better quality, yes, being original some songs are clipped or bad EQ.
@@rimmersbryggeri
@triumphlover7455 replies to @xvdifug: Right…..What your attempting to convey is that you’re the opposite of an audiophile. The audio hobby is the pursuit of putting together a system that gets you as close as you can afford to the illusion of witnessing the live recording of your favorite artists.
Your comment is akin to saying that you’re a true epicurean but that you see no point going out to enjoy a great martini and a perfectly seared ribeye steak in a beautiful restaurant when you can stay home in sweat pants sitting on your couch plowing a bowl of Kraft dinner and ketchup since both will satiate your hunger and ultimately end up as a pile of shit.
You’re welcome.
@antonio.x22 replies to @xvdifug: No- it is not.
not always and it is not the statment imposed by you "audiophile missconecption". if you will comment something against what I say, please don't say nothing and save your opinion.
The audio hobby is the pursuit of putting together a system that gets you as close as you can afford to the illusion of witnessing the live recording
NO, AND IT IS NOT SO.
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there are fans of The Beatles, and they don't "pursuit to get the illusion of witnessing the live recording".
do you think car audio is not an "audiophile hobbie" ? 👈
of course it is not a video or sport for hobbie
I record my cassettes and listen on Sony Walkman, I suppose it is an audiophile hobbie with audio for audio, and for sure the enthusiasts of Walkman or MiniDisc we don't try to reach the LIVE ambient
with thousands of artists, a lot of genres, thousands of different songs for different purposes, brasilian samba, mexican mariachi, k pop stars, country music, ..
Enrique Iglesias
Pet Shop Boys
Mötley Crue
Kiss
Roberto Carlos
Maná
Thomas Fersen
Vicente Fernández
Faye Wong
Suchitra Krishnamoo
Grupo Niche
Lil Wayne
Marília Mendoça
The Beatles
if this is not audio hobbie, audiophilia, music/audio linked then there is a serious missconception while millions of humans listen, enjoy, they reach quality, some other people don't care about quality and just ENJOY AND FEEL Now and Then with The Beatles,
👉 who will divide the Beatles fans in "audiophiles, audio hobbiers, melomaniacs" ??
to be a biker only Harley or Triumph are admited to get that "label" of biker? maybe yes only high rated brands of motobikes are allowed to sconsider someone is biker or rider .
@@triumphlover7455